Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Author Topic: I need help with this quantum physics problem!  (Read 6289 times)

Description:

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline bloodline

  • Master Sock Abuser
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2002
  • Posts: 12113
    • Show all replies
    • http://www.troubled-mind.com
Re: I need help with this quantum physics problem!
« on: February 17, 2004, 11:06:04 AM »
Great! I'm actaully rather pleased you strated the tradition :-) long may it last! :pint:


First you have to find an exact solution to the schrodinger equations for the Helium atom... eh?

Offline bloodline

  • Master Sock Abuser
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2002
  • Posts: 12113
    • Show all replies
    • http://www.troubled-mind.com
Re: I need help with this quantum physics problem!
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2004, 12:56:16 PM »
Quote

whabang wrote:
Ok,
I have a feeling that this is one of those threads that will never die. Can one of you moderators move this to the DMZ, please? :-)

Oh, and BUMP!


I think you should start with the He+ ion. Since that only has one electron you can use the hydrogenic model. So you can write the hamiltonian for that.

Offline bloodline

  • Master Sock Abuser
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2002
  • Posts: 12113
    • Show all replies
    • http://www.troubled-mind.com
Re: I need help with this quantum physics problem!
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2004, 01:15:04 PM »
Quote

whabang wrote:
Yeah?
What if were to use carbon and deutrim, then?
Would that mean that I have no clue what you're talking about? :-D


Deuterium is no problem since it only has one electron... with carbon you have the same problem as Helium, where electron election interactions make it imposible to work out an exact solution.

Let's stick with Dilithium, eh? ;-)

Offline bloodline

  • Master Sock Abuser
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2002
  • Posts: 12113
    • Show all replies
    • http://www.troubled-mind.com
Re: I need help with this quantum physics problem!
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2004, 02:13:43 PM »
Quote

Cyberus wrote:
Quote

bloodline wrote:
Quote

whabang wrote:
Ok,
I have a feeling that this is one of those threads that will never die. Can one of you moderators move this to the DMZ, please? :-)

Oh, and BUMP!


I think you should start with the He+ ion. Since that only has one electron you can use the hydrogenic model. So you can write the hamiltonian for that.


Will we use the variational theorem, or perturbation theory? In fact, I have on old Matlab program for iterating Hydrogenic wave functions using the variational method somewhere -  a relic of my university days...


Variational theorem, since I never learned the other one :-P

Offline bloodline

  • Master Sock Abuser
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2002
  • Posts: 12113
    • Show all replies
    • http://www.troubled-mind.com
Re: I need help with this quantum physics problem!
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2004, 02:15:31 PM »
Quote

bloodline wrote:
Quote

Cyberus wrote:
Quote

bloodline wrote:
Quote

whabang wrote:
Ok,
I have a feeling that this is one of those threads that will never die. Can one of you moderators move this to the DMZ, please? :-)

Oh, and BUMP!


I think you should start with the He+ ion. Since that only has one electron you can use the hydrogenic model. So you can write the hamiltonian for that.


Will we use the variational theorem, or perturbation theory? In fact, I have on old Matlab program for iterating Hydrogenic wave functions using the variational method somewhere -  a relic of my university days...


Variational theorem, since I never learned the other one :-P


Hey!!! check out the cool effect that loads of quotes has!! :-D