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My Fav bit, and don't know if anyone else mentioned it yet as not read through rest of thread.  Was the round of applause for a fucking cable.  Here you go gulible stupid public, HDMI mirror video output, but you will have to buy an extra dongle, what a lod of shit.

Well, no one is forcing you buy some stupid HDMI cable... But I will ask you one question... I have an iPhone 3GS, I can buy this cable can get HDMI output from my phone (should I want it, though I don't), are you able to buy an HDMI output for your current phone?

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A year from now, in total units sold, maybe, given the massive head start they have. But they're too expensive and too closed and too limited in terms of different form factors and catering to different customer needs to hold on to their lead in number of new units sold for very long.

Too expensive? IPads are the cheapest of the lot!

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If I may draw the discussion for a moment.

If we put ourselves in Apple's position, how do we survive as a business?

A few years ago computers became commodity devices, you didn't need to think about the system you were getting and what tasks you wanted to do... You just bought a computer... When it broke, you bought a new one... The computer was reduced to a device that was little more than a washing machine.

The market is flooded with computer devices, the hardware is now basically an irrelevance. Content is all that matters now. What Apple had to do to survive is change from being a computer company to being a content provider, and that is how we need to look at them.

The iPad, iPod, iPhone, iTunes are all content delivery platforms. As such they seem alien to us oldschool computer users. At least 60% of computer users today are not oldschool computer users, they only really want to consume content.

Now when I want to create content, I use a Mac... Which is a computer in the old sense, but when I sell that content I'm selling it to people who consume content.

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@Franko

I agree, from our perspective it is bizarre that someone doesn't want to get under the hood and have a tinker... But that is the reality we are in and Apple do provide an outlet for people like us, on your MacOSX install DVD there is a directory called "Development", install it and then have a play with your Mac development environment. There are some fun technologies hidden in there!

-Edit- almost forgot, if you develop something cool you can easily sell it to other Mac users via the Mac App Store... Earn a bit of cash

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@Franko,

Once installed, click on the spotlight icon in the top right hand corner of the menu bar (yay for menu bars ), type Xcode hit and that should start the Xcode IDE, from there you can read through all the apple developer documentation... Fun stuff for us tinkerers

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If only it was, perhaps I wouldn't hate it so much! :lol:

We'll cross that bridge later huh?

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Somebody lock this thread, this is an Amiga site. Until AROS runs on an iPad 2 I'm not interested.

There is an iOS port of AROS being worked on by Sonic... Though you will need to jailbreak your device in order to install it.

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:lol: Macs are derided for being too simple and user friendly... But as soon as you are required to adjust some metadata (easy enough to do if you right click on the the song selections), then all of a sudden the Mac is too difficult to use! Come on, we are Amiga users we shall not be overcome by a bit of power user work

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iTunes is one of the worst media programs I have ever used.  I tried it on several platforms.
 
I think I am going to say it, I am..arrrrghhhh
 
Even Windows Media player pisses all over iTunes

I don't want to defend iTunes, as I have no love for it... As I've become older and care less about how the computer is organising my media files, I find it doesn't get in my way and that's fine for me.

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It meets the spec...

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2007/08/mac-os-x-leopard-receives-unix-03-certification.ars

/shrug

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They also claimed the iPhone 4 "Changes everything, again."

Strange, because I noticed on the day of release, the vast majority of things I regularly encounter seemed just the same as the day before.

Unless they are now taking credit for entropy.

Yeah, you do have to tune out their hype BS... It's a shame as I feel their hyping incremental upgrades actually detracts from the truly innovative introductions...

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Mirrored HDMI Output .OMG ....
 
What you see on the iPad is what you get on HDMI.....

Exactly, that does not warrant more than a bullet point on the PowerPoint slide :-/

I would point out that an app has always had access to the video out, but it has been the developer choice what to display on the video out. It's kinda nice to let the user some say in it

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What Garageband on the iPad offers to musicians is quite unique and gives the non musician a way to be creative without ever having to have handled a musical instrument.  We could sit here all day debating the evil monopoly and closed source aspects of Apple products, but if said products get people doing creative things, it's win-win.

I agree, any device that gets people creative rather than destructive is a good thing.

That being said, it probably won't hold much appeal for the professional and experienced musician, but it will most certainly give a lot of creativity to a lot of people that would have otherwise never considered creating music.  Just like Garageband on the Mac, Fruityloops, etc. did.

Actually, I could see myself using this to record demos, it saves out as a Logic compatible file so it would actually be my preferred way to record a demo!

Just like Deluxe Paint did for the Amiga - guys that couldn't draw a happyface with a pen and paper, it opens up a lot of creative avenues.  I was one of those guys that had DPaint entirely rock my world when it came out, lol.  I found it completely liberating considering I had no artistic skills to that point, and while I am a musician and probably won't learn much from the iPad/Garageband experience, there's no doubt it will open up a lot of creativeness for the common man.

And this is what we have forgotten after 25years! New technology brings creativity to a larger audience. The Amiga introduced me to music... Without the tracker I would never have been able to learn how to compose, arrange and even build my own sounds. My gut instinct is distrustful of the music-made-easy of the iPad, but I'm just being old and outdated

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Ive seen you trying to tout the iPad as a good tool for musicians a bit in this thread, but personally I just dont get it. In over 20 years of being a musician, Ive never once thought to myself "damn, I wish there was yet another unnecessary device involved here". Guitar <->rack<->mixer<->amps kinda covers it all. To insert another device adds absolutely nothing.

Well, I wouldn't let a guitarist near anything technical... That's why you have synth guys in a band

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Gawd... what a sad & crazy statement to make...

How on earth could you class someone as an Artist if all they did "was press a button"...

What "skills and talent" does it take to carry out this monumental task of pressing a button in order to become an Artist...

Oh look, I just pressed the button for me front door bell and it's playing a wee tune, wow I must be an Artist...

Without going into my likes & dislikes of what I call music and artists, a simple fact remains if an Artist or Band cant play well live then they are indeed talentless...

Technology already exists that can propel totally talentless musically retarded emotionally brain dead morons to massive success, you only have to look at the musically inept "Black Eyed Peas" as a prime example. They can't make music and they are horrible live... The general public love them...

But I've toured with musicians much much more talented than myself, who have never even achieved what little success I did...

I guess popular arts have always been this way, technology will always allow the talentless to suceed, but it will also be used by the brilliant to make something that will be remembered for the rest of civilisation

The black eyed peas will be forgotten tomorrow, because they are shit... But other truely tallented artists using the same technology will be remembered.






*disclaimer I don't like the black eyed peas.

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Please provide examples of these truely talented artists that will be remembered. I want to listen

I was thinking of the pioneers of the last 50 years, from the introduction of the electric guitar, the multitrack recording studio, the analogue synth, the sampler and the DAW... All these things have been used and abused... But now we only remember the artists who were good... Not necessarily who were the most popular

The first artist that comes into my head are the Chemical Brothers and maybe Lady Gaga

not overly impressed by Lady Gaga, she doesn't write or compose the music (she has "input" to get a credit, but that is often little more than sitting with the production team during a session), but her production team have found a formula that does work and they use it well.

Overrated would be the Prodigy - they are shit.

I'm no fan of the Prodigy, but Liam Howlett's smapler work on Fat of the Land is exceptional. I would have to say that Fat of the Land was really pushing the boundaries for samplers at the time, it's easy to do all that stuff now... But to do it on a few Roland W-30s and akai samplers in the late 90s was amazing. I would say that if you listen to that album from a technical stand point you will appreciate it more