Kickstart ROM Replacement (Phase I) Bounty Assigned

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Hmm, correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't UAE have a built-in KS ROM replacement being able to do exactly the same?

Sure, from little acorns do big oak trees grow! I think the take home here is that systems which used to just guru now actually do something.

It should be noted that Toni actually beat Jason here and booted a floppy before him

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Not much yet, however. It gets really messy around the time dos.library gets into the picture. If good compatibility is desired there's a lot to do there.

Now that the easy part is over the real work can begin.

Well, I've said this before, why not join the Dev mailing list and watch the progress

I'm pretty sure you will find the current discussion about the BCPL interface interesting (both Jason and Toni seem keen on ensuring 1.3 compatibility )  and if there is a question or two which you can answer then your input would be a great help... Go on, ya will, ya will ya wil

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Actually I don't. Trying to do the BCPL interface in C isn't my idea of "fun". I'm sure it is possible, but IMHO certainly not worth the effort.

Well, I found that interesting... Though others on the list also feel it's not worth the effort.

Still can't hurt to take a peek, no?

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After seeing both 'BCPL' and 'fun' in the same sentence, I had to read slowly to make sure Piru hadn't lost it
Martin Richards, who unleashed BCPL and Tripos on the world, is still around, retired, and apparently active:

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mr10/

He  might enjoy the challenge, so perhaps someone could invite HIM to mess around with the BCPL mess? Sort of like a penance ...

Go on then, ask him!

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Is doing the BCPL interface in C the only practical way to get 1.3 compatibility?

I think 1.3 compatibility is really important in the long run, even if just getting the current AROS running is the focus for the time being.

yup.

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I uploaded a video of AROS booting in UAE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe5mrES3qXo

That is HOT!!! I like my pr0n geeky and that is GEEEEKY!!!!

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Put the sock down Matthew! Step away from the sock!

Lol!!! So many here will have no idea what you are talking about... Oh and AROS on 68k, yay... MUTHA FRICKIN' YAY!!!!!!

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I spend three years away and it's like I never left!

Colour me stupid but i just tried it with e-uae on Linux and get nowt but a purple screen. :/

It's a serious pain to get it working at the moment, but you MUST have your settings identical to an A1200!

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Great news!

understatement of the decade! The Amiga is now ours We are in control, we have our machine in our own hands.

Opensoure hardware and software! I can't tell you have happy I am!!

I guess it will get faster as Toni is improving the HIDD. For now most of the things are drawn using PutPixel()... By reading the mailing list it seems a lot of progress is beeing made.

About the BCPL: what's wrong with 1.3/BCPL ? Anyone with enough knowledge could explain ?

A lot of the old 1.3 software used to old TripOS function call system, which is based on a programming language called BCPL. Jason needs to implement that in order for these 1.3 programs to run... BCPL was heavily depreciated in 2.0.

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Can the Kickflash support 1meg roms?

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BCPL is the work of the devil! lol

Actually the more I read about it, the more I like it... And let's be fair it did lead to C, so it was a very good thing (tm)

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Kickstart Bounty Phase I is completed!
http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&topic_id=5410&forum=4

Screenshot:
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9582/20101114.png

The first nightly build is available at:
http://www.aros.org/download.php

I can't believe I've waited so long to see this... I hope everyone understands the enormity of what this means!

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It means free, as in "freedom"
Even though the road may still be long to have a full working kickstart/os replacement (it's only a proof of concept here, compatibility wasn't part of the phase 1 bounty), it's great indeed.

Compatibility not required by bounty... But HUNK loading does work already and Jason has tested this with a few shell commands, so big thumbs up there!

Seeing how fast it was since the bounty has been assigned, I'm wondering why it took so much time for someone to get assigned to the task... People weren't interested maybe ?

I think getting the AROS source to build in gcc for the 68k was both boring and difficult... Jason (and Toni), stuck with it and made it happen!

From reading the mailing list, it seems some people aren't interested at all about NG stuff, while some on the contrary are only interested in NG stuff.

Well, AROS on 68k is where NG meets classic... You really can have the best of both worlds now

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Frankly I don't see the enormity. It gets interesting if/when Phase II gets completed.

The tyranny of Amiga Inc. is now over! This exists and it can't unexist

Toni has been instrumental in getting the 68k drivers this far, I have little doubt he will
succeed with phaseII and even if he doesn't, people will improve AROS 68k over time anyway

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I'm sure Toni has the compatibility part covered although there are a lot of overall AROS changes that need to happen to get him there.

The latest version of gcc is being a pain, but Jason wants to replace that with LLVM... What else is there that have I forgotten?

AROS is just somewhat source compatible, not remotely binary compatible.

Careful not to FUD here, from Jason's statement:

3. Initially binary compatability isnt needed with amigaos (not until atleast you can get the thing working again)

**- Met and exceeded. AmigaOS HUNK loading appears to work for several
** *trivial 'C' compiled AmigaOS 3.x routines (ie Echo, Dir, etc)

So actually it is "remotely" binary compatible...

I'm pretty sure we'll end up with 1.3 and 3.1 compatible ROMs plus AROS ROMs if we want any added functionality from AROS.  I just don't see how both in one ROM could work.

This is really awesome news though, it's a huge step forward.

Possibly the biggest step after the MiniMig/UAE freed us from ageing hardware