Pegasos running native OS4 apps?

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Unless Genesi or someone else aquires a licence for OS 4, it will not automatically appear on any Pegasos hardware

Just courious as to the point of the "licence", other than to make money for Hyperion.

MAybe I've missed something, but why should Genesi have to buy a licence from you, in order for you to be able to sell software for their product...

Shouldn't Hyperion be buying a licence from Genesi, to allow Hyperion to sell software for the Pegasos?

I seriously doubt Sony have to buy a licence from EA, to allow EA games to run on the playstation... In fact, I know it's the other way around.

Lets face facts, AOS4 on the Peg would benefit everyone, except the AROS team... hmmm, maybe it's good hyperion are not into cooperation :-)

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Dan wrote:

bloodline wrote:
Lets face facts, AOS4 on the Peg would benefit everyone, except the AROS team... hmmm, maybe it's good hyperion are not into cooperation :-)

The future for amiga software, develop  for AROS and port to MOS and AOS :-)

I couldn't agree more :-D that's actaully the easiest way to support all tree systems (and even the 68k ones if they have the CPU power).

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I didnt think that many pegasos users would want that to happen? Since most pegasos people say MorphOS is superior to os4...

But right now even CP/M users can say that what they use is superior to OS4... since they can't use OS4. :-)

I doubt any Pegasos user would be upset by being allowed to use OS4 on thier machine, however they think about it

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Tomas wrote:

The OS which is best

This is clearly not the case when talking about the average person, just look at windows ;-) But hopefully the amiga people is different than the average pc user :-)

and with the most development and most software will be used by most people. Simple. The end.

agree on that

It will be software development that will decide which OS is the most popular (assuming each one is available for the Users choice of system).

I mostly use Windows, not because it is better,  not because I prefer it, not because it's really secure, not because, it's really stable, not because of my love of free software ( ;-) think about it), but for one simple reason; It runs the software I need to do my work, and it has the drivers available to allow me to use the latest and best hardware for the job I want to do.

Sad but true.

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Coder wrote:
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Any news on the Aros port for Pegasos?

Coder

On Schedule and rockin'... ;-)

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Coder wrote:
@Bloodline

I did hear that before somewhere. :-P

Coder

And I mean it in the original context, i.e. I have no idea, but the guy doing the work has been reporting what he has been up to, so I'm sure every thing is fine :-D

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@Rouge

I do see what you are saying, but as the software developer it is your responsibility to support your software. By asking For a licence for the OS you are saying that you don't want to be troubled with support (I know that is a simplified view).

I'm also not sure about the "selling it with the board" sales model that hyperion want to use with their OS. Since that makes sense for the "AmigaONE", does it really make sense for that system?

What if I were to make a PPC board and sell it for 150 Euro,  but one of the ways I keep it at such a low price is that it come with no OS.

Would I then have to buy a licence from Hyperion in order to allow OS4 to run on it?

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I see you (Hyperion) have set yourself up in a sticky situation.

If the OS is to come with the board, that really is the best antipiracy option you can have, the dongle is not going to stop piracy.

Obviously, we differ slightly in our view of a business model when it comes to OSes (software and drivers should be commercial but the OS should be free IMHO). But would you not agree that if one OS is better (Better harware and software support)  then people will favour it over another. It seems to my cynical eye that Hyperion are atempting to circumvent people freedom to choose the OS that suits them best.

I really must apologise if seems liek an attack, it is not, I am interested in how people view this.

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A dealer might want to sell boards with OS 4 as a bundle and make a licence deal with Amiga (not with Hyperion).

Ok, this makes more sense to me now. So I could buy a licence for OS4 (for free? ;-) ) and then run it on the Pegasos boards that I sell?

What I'm buying, with the licence, is the responsibility to support my customers, right?

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@Rogue

Well, that's fair enough, I hope that Mr Hermans has thought over all the issues. I personally don't want to see "Two Years" of your work go down the drain.

do understand you. If in doubt, try to bring it up on AW.net's "Ask Fleecy" session

Do you honestly think I would get an answer? On that note, do you honestly believe anything that Fleecy says? Are you allowed to disscuss this issue?
(or did the smily face say it all? :-D )

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It is all very simple and has been explained countless times. The fact that it is still being presented as something else gives our legal department great cause for concern.

Yup, they're down the hall, first right, just passed the AOS5 development lab.... :roflmao:

For example someone can't sign a contract for putting AmigaDE on a handheld and then demand that it means we also agree to put it onto any device they chose, whether it be an electric toothbrush or a custom vector core super computer.
 

Certianly, but if Amiga Inc. sign a contract for porting AmigaDE to a handheld *AND ANY FUTURE DEVICES*, then Amiga Inc. can't moan if that comanpy wants to make an electric tooth brush and port AmigaDE to it (which if I'm not mistaken was the sort of thing Mr McEwan was origianlly sprouting, Amiga on your fridge, cooker... blah blah blah...).

I think Mr Moss forgot to tow the company line there ;-)

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@ To all anti Amiga Incs.

If I see the Amiga going PPC (AmigaOne) - and AmigaOS 4.0 being released....I'd say that Amiga Inc. did one hell of a job.......no matter what their official or legal status is. No matter if it was Hyperion or Eyetech doing all the stuff..........I don't belive they would have done it without Amiga Inc. ;-)

No, Hyperion and  Eyetech did the "hell of a job". Amiga Inc. are the ones who consistantly stalled the development of a new Amiga system.

If Amiga Inc. had not beein in the way we would have had a new system much sooner.

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Hondo_DK wrote:
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I belive that neither of us is a position to judge whether or not they did anything.....and it dosn't matter who did it.........THEY DID IT!!!!

That's the only thing that counts!

Maybe Hyperion and Eyetech is the workhorse........but it's Amiga Inc. who's got the overall plans and visions for the future which hopefully will lead to a great revival of the Amiga platform.......hopefully!

From this statement I can only conclde that you are not aware of the last 3 years...

There are plenty of sources of information for you to look up, you will see that one of Amiga Inc.'s first announcments was to state that the Amiga computing platform was dead, and that AmigaDE was the future. This put pay to any AmigaOS for the PPC.

Then AmigaDE, or rather intent turned out to not be suitable for much other than as a system agnostic games platform.

So a massive U-Turn was made, and Amiga Inc. declared that AmigaOS 4 was in production. Fleecy even claimed to have seen it running, and on an AmigaONE no less... probably the same Amiga ONe that was being developed even after Eyetech had stated they were no longer working on an AmigaONE (they later decided to use the Terron PPC Boards instead, which makes more sense than the original thing they attempted to make).

You only have to read the court documents to find out what a massive mess Amiga In. made of this whole situation.

Had they put some dev money into an Amgia system from the word go, then an Amgia system would have been finished years ago... they screwed up.