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I feel a strong urge to jump in here (even though I know I shouldn't :-P ).

I want to point out that Eyetech and Hyperion are doing a good job, I feel sorry that this situation occured.

But the following is all the fault of Amiga Inc., I'm not talking of past mistakes or inheriting a bad situation. I am saying Amiga Inc. as they are now, are to blame for this whole situation.

Genesi (and the MOS team) and AROS are both reactions to Amiga Inc.'s very clear and firm annoucment that the "Classic Amiga" was finished. No more Amiga Classic systems. AmigaOS? nah, that's dead, we've got AmigaDE!!!

The MOS Team saw a market and started developing a product to fill it. The AROS team was formed by members of this community who didn't wish to see their beloved platform die. And all goes well, until Amiga Inc. realise that AmigaDE is still born and unable to meet even the more modest parts of their new Amiga specification. They see that MOS and AROS are going to hit the target market spot on, and then rope in Eyetech to make them some PPC hardware and claim that AmigaOS4.0 (PPC native) is entering the final stage of development/testing (back in 2002/2001, I forget, since they put out so many statements!). This turns out to be a lie (along with AmigaOS x86, probably an attempted to displace the AROS team).

It turns out that AmigaOS 4.0 does not exist and Hyperion are brought in to make it happen. Eyetech are let down by their PPC board company and have to buy in standard PPC boards....

So where does that leave us? In a very nasty situation. Had Amiga Inc said, ok, we will licence the PPC version of MOS as AmigaOS PPC and, say licence the x86 Version of AROS for AmigaOS x86 (The AROS team actually changed their licence to make this possible!), we would not be in this situaton...
Put simply they got greedy.

So who is to blame? That's right Amiga Inc.  :-(

So now we have three solutions  (two and a half :-P, since AROS PPC is still very early) and one market. Well done Amiga Inc. Your business acumon is fantasic.  :-x

-EDIT- Feel free to disagree, This is afterall just my view of the situation. :-o

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Clearly I didn't know it. As this is what I've seen and had to put up with.

I made a suggestion that AmigaOS x86 was an effort to displace AROS. It was a possiblity, not fact, and I presented it as such.

As for therest of my rant. I would be happy for you to point out my missunderstanding od what went on, because, in all honesty that is exactly as I view it...

I'm not trying to distort the events, I concider myself a keen Amiga user, and thus have always wanted to see the Amiga survive. It is with great regret that I now see Amiga Inc. as slowly drowning the Amiga platform and name.

I say, without bias, that Genesi have done more for the Amiga community in the last 6 months than Amiga Inc. have ever done. Simply based on the level of support they have provided.

I don't want to say anything against either Hyperion or Eyetech, they simply have to make the best of the situation they (unwittingly?) fell/jumped into, almost certainly based on lies and broken promises from Amiga Inc.

But again this is my oppinion, if you can provide me with evidence to the contraty I will happily make a public retraction.

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In conclusion: have Genesi done more for the community than Amiga Inc? Assuredly so. Have Amiga Inc demonstrated incompetence time after time? Yup. Have they proved incapable of learning from past mistakes? 'fraid so. Do I think your interpretation of events has even the remotest possibility of being accurate? Nope.

While I don't quite agree with some of the way you have interpreted events, I will submit that you are more aware of the overall situation than I am.
But as I consider myself as an Average Amiga User, I would say that my interpretation is probably not unique.

At the end of the day, and most importantly, we have drawn the same conclutions from the differing infomation avaiable to us both... which, I think you will agree, shows how useless A Inc. have been, and will continue to be, until they get some decent management... not these Dotcom boomers.

As for AROS, You are probably right. But I will hold that A Inc. were worried that MOS and AROS were targeting something they felt they should have even though they had claimed the Amiga Desktop was dead and AmigaOS was to be phased out with 3.9... or some such nonsense.  :-)

-Edit- A Inc. Business meeting http://amiga.org/gallery/photo.php?lid=493

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You can buy their old stuff on the internet!?!?

Cool, now Amiga Inc. can buy it all back with the millions they have made with AmigaDE :-D

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If Amithlon was an attempt at displacing AROS, are you saying AROS is a commercial product? I thought it was being made FOR FUN, god damnit!

Sure, but Amiga Inc. might have seen that AROS was targeting a Market that they felt they should be making money from.

AROS of course has no commecial incentive, it is simply there because there is demand for it.

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Amithlon was NOT a response to AROS.There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Amiga Inc ever saw AROS as encroaching into a market they should be tapping. None. Why do you persist in suggesting otherwise?

I'm not say that it !WAS! a response to AROS, but I am saying that it might have been.

You are saying the it wasn't, Fine. (you are stating this as fact)
I'm saying it might. End of story. (I am stating this as my oppinion.)

You are welcome to continue telling me that it wasn't and I will have be happy to say that it might have been  :-D

I'm the meantime we are wasting valuble Debating Bandwidth.

I would say argue that without AROS, there was no reson to even view the x86 as a market. PPC was final, Phase5 had decided.  :-D

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You have never been more wrong. You'll find that out soon enough.

If Amiga Inc. have something amazing up their sleve, then I'm looking forward to being wrong.

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Ok. I'm not dismissing your verison of the events. I have accepted this.
But I would still argue that without AROS, there was no reson to even view the x86 as a market. PPC was final, Phase5 had decided.

I personally didn't even think aobut the x86 as a viable option until I went to university and tried AROS. I was still under the impression that my PPC card was by far the more suitable system for the Amiga platform.

But I tried AROS on just a cheap PC and thought wow... that is superior my Amiga.... and thus my cards have been played. this was 5 years ago...

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True, Bill has been very quiet (publically), but I don't see that as a great problem, really. He's learned his lesson of announcing stuff to early, now he seems to be only discussion stuff when he has something concrete to discuss. I think that is a good strategy for him to take.

May I interpret this to mean that Amiga Inc. have made no concrete business deals and have had no concrete business strategy for just over a year?
Since they have not made any announcments... this is the most logical conclution (using your own reasoning) and one that most people here have drawn and is what we are all worried about, WRT Amiga Inc....


Why, may I ask, so people keep saying "Amiga Inc. are doing lots of work on the AmigaOS4, behind the scenes"... We are talking about an OS...! What exactly can they do that is not visible?

Ok, you don't seem to be willing or able to tell me what A Inc. do "behind the scenes", but give me an idea of what such a phrase might cover.

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Oops... I seem to have hit a nerve, I must being closer...

Which nicely answers your question, why do I ask difficult questions... No, I attack none, put simply, I want the Truth :-)

I'm fed up of being lied to all the time. I want to know whats going on.

Deal with M$, big deal (excuse the pun)... Amiga Acting as a middle man for Tao.. how much have they shipped then? No don't worry, I will state this is personal oppinion and not fact... happy?

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Sure, NETventures have probably even written Amiga Inc. off...


I'm not surpirsed with Amiga Inc being so secretive... All this "we're doing lots of things", and there's a who bunch of stuff going on behind the scenes.. blah blah blah...

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To all: I accuse no one on this site of lying. But I will not support a company that does not give a straight answer when asked simple question, full stop.

Maybe I should not be here asking these questions, as you say, but until Wayne bans me from this site I will continue to use it to express my views and to try and peice together the truth about a company which I see as having made far too many mistakes.


Noticed something funny:
"Amiga Inc is not going out of business. This is not an auction of Amiga as a corporate entity. This sale is being conducted for property management of office assets only."

This is kinda like saying:
"You are not homeless, you just don't have anywhere to live."

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-Edit- I find it funny that I'm being accused of twisting words when all I'm doing is clarifying (or attempting to clarify) unsubstantiated statements made in Amiga Inc. favour.

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You were wrong, we told you so.

Ok, I'm wrong.  Now tell me what they have been up to behind the scenes so You can relly make me look like an idiot.

I have no problem with looking like an idiot, I do it all the time.