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JJ wrote:
We are lucky in the UK all phones are subsidised by the network operaters.  Some of the more expensive ones like the N95 initally had to have high tarrifs, but that doesnt last long.

The only phone i know that doesnt is the Iphone, but its not a phone I would want anyway.

The iPhone is subsidized now :-)

The only thing nice about the N97 is the video recording and 32gig flashmem, I can't think of any other feature I like from the N97...

 

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JJ wrote:
@ bloodline

I kinda like the idea of the slide out keyboard.  The decent camera, and as you said the video.

Well I can't argue with that, if you want a physical keyboard then the iPhone simply won't do, full stop.

As much as you are an IPhone fan, you might have guessed from this and previous conversations we have had, i am a Nokia fan.

All my previous phones were nokia, I even still have my 7110 :-)

But I'm now taken with the iPhone, it's great... Only now a year after the iPhone have nokia brought out a device that is comparable ;-)

In my opnion there is nothing an Iphone can do or has that I want or need.  That might chance when they catch up to the rest of the smartphone market.

I think featurewise all smartphones offer much the same, the iPhone just has a really nice interface and a great App store :-)

Not sure if that will happen though, the Iphones market share is laughable compared to most.

If nokia thought a handset would only sell as many as the Iphone has I doubt they would bother to make it.

Well, keep an eye on the Market, nokia's bread and butter is the lowcost high volume Market... That is the one the analysts are predicting to down turn... The smartphone Market looks to grow... Thus nokia producing the N97 to match the iPhone feature set.

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JJ wrote:

@ boodline, so you can get the iphone free now ?

Yeah, you have been able to since the release of the 3G in the summer :-)

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adolescent wrote:

bloodline wrote:

Well, keep an eye on the Market, nokia's bread and butter is the lowcost high volume Market... That is the one the analysts are predicting to down turn... The smartphone Market looks to grow...

I doubt it.  I don't think people with economic hardship will rush out to buy any expensive new phone/gadget.  Apple still has a lot of ground to cover to catch up to Nokia's ~39% market share.

Who knows... but the thinking is that people who are happy with their low cost high volume mobile phone, are less likely to upgrade... but theose that were thinking about upgrading, are now looking for a value add... i.e. Mobile + Mp3/Video player... the very market which modern smart phones (and especially the iPhone, where Apple are now running scared that mp3 player have reached saturation point) are targeting.

Thus nokia producing the N97 to match the iPhone feature set.

The N95 8G, and N96 matched the iPhone feature set quite well.  The N97 flat out overruns it.

THat's just ignorance. The N95 was outclassed by the newer iPhone... the N96 was nothing but a refresh of the N95... the N97 is Nokia's first attempt to actually match the iPhone feature set one for one.

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kickstart wrote:
Do you have any percentage of apple and need to show to the world the wonderfulls of apple products?

Nope, I just get annoyed when people talk crap. The iPhone is far from perfect, but it is also far more innovative than anything Nokia has produced.

I dont understand how a ipod touch with a bad phone together is the example to follow, sorry.

That is why you live in a little house in Finland and Steve Jobs live in a huge mansion in California on top of piles of money surrounded by beautiful women.... ;-)

Seriously though, The iPhone isn't a tool like the E90... it's a mobile lifestyle platform... The platform itself is very much a standard computing environment, mobile internet and voice, but with a revolutionary interface, and access to VERY innovative applications (which come about due to it's innovative interface, my Win Mobile device just couldn't compete)... plus, it is a great iPod.

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JJ wrote:
Interesting

And factually wrong.  The N95 has an accerlated 3D gpu  :-)

The N95 does have a 3D GPU... In fact most mobile devices do! Since they all use pretty much the same ARM PowerVR chipset, but Windows Mobile totally lacks any support for it, and Software written for symbian can't rely on 3D support since the OS runs on devices that don't have 3D hardware... A developer for OSX knows that the 3D API will be present and can be used. Very few mobile devices have the GFX software support of the iPhone...  

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adolescent wrote:

bloodline wrote:
The N95 does have a 3D GPU... In fact most mobile devices do! Since they all use pretty much the same ARM PowerVR chipset, but Windows Mobile totally lacks any support for it, and Software written for symbian can't rely on 3D support since the OS runs on devices that don't have 3D hardware...

Wrong on both counts. :roll:

Ok, you say this then you say...

Most/all current Windows Mobile devices have hardware GPU support (ex. Touch Diamond).  Qualcomm and HTC didn't get drivers out until earlier this year, but as a result they are now back ported and/or hacked onto older models with the same chipset (ex. Kaiser, Polaris, Nike).

Yes, that's right Windows Mobile lacks any official 3D support... I've already said that most mobile devices now come with 3D hardware...

S60 has had hardware 3d support for years (since S60 2nd Edition, Feature Pack 2).  

I've already said this... Symbian has support for 3D in software, i.e. OpenGL ES 1.0... But Symbian also runs on devices that don't have 3D hardware... Therefore 3D hardware is not required to make Symbian work... OSX on the other hand does require 3D hardware.

A developer for OSX knows that the 3D API will be present and can be used. Very few mobile devices have the GFX software support of the iPhone...  

ANY developer targeting ANY platform should know what the platform is capable of.  For instance, if you develop a game for the iPod Touch 2nd Generation, you should know that it has a much faster CPU and GPU than the iPhone 3G, iPhone, or iPod Touch and design as such.

And any developer expecting to make any money will target the lowest common denominator, since that is the largest market...

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AmigaHeretic wrote:
Can the iPhone do this?

YouTube - 3D Alt Tab Screen Rotate - Windows Mobile

Well of course not, the iPhone only runs a single application at a time... Have you ever used one? :-?

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Trev wrote:
@AmigaHeretic

Yes, but that's just battery wasting eye candy.

Well if it's eye candy he wants the iPhone has far more impressive suff that 3D task switching :-D

If there is one thing he can't deny is that the iPhone has plenty of eye candy!

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Yes, the iPhone is full of battery wasting eye candy... Which raises one of my two criticism of the iPhone.

Battery life is poor... to be fair if you just use it as a Phone and iPod, it has a decent battery life... but as soon as you watch movie, play a game and hit the web... you can easily run the battery dead.

As strange as it sound the iPhone/iPod Touch only allows one application to run at a time (Apple's own apps, SMS, Email, Phone, iPod and Calendar all run in the background, but no others). These are the rules of the SDK, if you violate them, then Apple don't allow you to post on the App Store.  Apple have clearly stated this is to ensure that the battery and memory resource are not used accidentally (given how battery hungry it already is, that is a good move)

When you hit the Home button the Application must quit out, Apple do provide the option of saving the program state to the non-volatile memory before quitting, thus the application can return to where the user left off upon restart.

This leads me to my second criticism of the iPhone... Applications are supposed to be able to register with the Apple Push server, so that any notification events could be run "in the background" without using any of the iPhone's battery... it's a great idea and clever solution to the background task problem... Apple promised it in September... and some early Beta's of OS 2.1 had it switched on... but it's now December and they have STILL not rolled it out to the users yet... this is a really lame thing.

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JJ wrote:
You can only run one app at a time on the Iphone ?

Yes, that's right.

Really, honestly.

Honestly!

So you cant for instance, be playing a game with the sound off, listening to your mp3s and switch to a browswer and then switch back to the game.

No, Apple's iPod app is allowed to run in the background, so you can listen to mp3s while doing other things. if you double tap the home button a small iPod interface pops up over the currently running app, so you can change songs etc...

Safari, the web browser, saves it's state on exit so that when you reopen it, you start exactly where you left off, but it wasn't running while exited... you can test this but having a simple JavaScript counter running on a webpage... it will stop for the time the app was closed :-)

If not thats seriously rubbish and limiting.

If Developers save the app state upon exit (and register a push service, if apple ever get around to activating it), then you would never know the app wasn't running and using up valuable battery.

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AmigaHeretic wrote:

Trev wrote:
@bloodline

I did not know that, and actually, it makes me like my iPhone a little more. ;-) The last thing I want is Widgety Guy computing pi in the background and chewing up my battery.

EDIT: But I'm not fond of vendors artificially restricting their customers. Still, it results in a more stable platform.

That seems strange to me.

What about "chat" apps like MSN, Yahoo, etc..  On my phone I use 'Fring' a messenger app that has all the big ones at once ICQ, MSN, etc...  How would that even work if it can't run in the background.

IRC app? (I use zsIRC) I mean I leave zsIRC running in the background while I surf the web.  Would be pretty useless if I had to close it and open everytime I want to do something else on my phone and the channel wouldn't be too happy either ;-)

I stream ShoutCasts all the time while surfing, chatting, etc.  Does the native iTunes player allow streaming?

Yeah, I've maybe gotten too use to my phone being a mini-computer. Might be a bad thing!   :-D  :-D  :-D

This is what the Push service is for... Your IM or IRC client registers with the Apple Push server, and when you close down the app, the Push Server runs the Client, and can notify you of any new messages via "Badges" and alert boxes. This means that the IM/IRC client is actually running on Apple's server while the app is closed on the phone... it's complicated to explain, but simple to understand (Think cloud computing)... anyway it gives you functionality of the app still running, but with no battery usage... the disadvantage is that you need to have a data connection for it to work... but for something like an IM/IRC client, you need a data connection anyway :-)

Anyway, this is a great idea... that Apple have Beta, but not not for masses yet... and they are three months late :-(

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Trev wrote:
I think apps like AIM have to be running to receive messages. Thought: if they ran in the background, they'd compete with Apple/AT&T's implementation of SMS. Same goes for media players. Apple would probably frown upon (or even forbid) anything that competes with iTunes. That's too bad, though, since you can use the iTunes desktop app to listen to "Internet radio" stations.

I use CapitalFM 98 app on my iPhone (it's the best UK one, for sure, and despite it's name it streams loads of different radio stations), to listen to internet radio... there are quite a few internet radio apps on the apps store! :-)

The same functionality should be added to the iPhone/iPod Touch. I guess you can listen to podcasts, but I'm not sure if those can be live streams or if they're just the fixed length recordings uploaded to iTunes--I haven't used it yet. I'm sure Bloodline can weigh in here.

iPhoneOS 2.2 supports podcasts over the network and wifi... works really well... on a long boring train journey for example :-)

The advent of "netbooks" is once again changing people's views of mobile devices. I think someone already commented on buying a netbook with a 3G card as opposed to a smart phone of the same price. (Or maybe I read that somewhere else.)

People love netbooks... I use my iPhone for almost all my internet and Email now... like right now :-) So I guess people find the same use with Netbooks... I would have no need of one.

Semi-related question: does anyone see value in an iTunes-compatible (read: iPod software clone) audio player for Amiga-like systems? Not sure how connectivity would work, but I'm thinking along the lines of using mDNS to locate local iTunes libraries.

Would be fun, are there any open source ones that could be ported?


I have "Simplify Media" app on my iPhone... I run Simplify Server on my old PowerBook at home that can stream my entire itunes collection over the internet to my iPhone... or any computer who knows my IP address and my Simplify password :-D

-Edit- http://www.simplifymedia.com/

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AmigaHeretic wrote:

bloodline wrote:
This is what the Push service is for... Your IM or IRC client registers with the Apple Push server, and when you close down the app, the Push Server runs the Client, and can notify you of any new messages via "Badges" and alert boxes. This means that the IM/IRC client is actually running on Apple's server while the app is closed on the phone... it's complicated to explain, but simple to understand (Think cloud computing)... anyway it gives you functionality of the app still running, but with no battery usage... the disadvantage is that you need to have a data connection for it to work... but for something like an IM/IRC client, you need a data connection anyway :-)

Mmm.. kinda understand.  I think that's how AT&Ts OGO use to work and one of the reasons they stopped support for OGO though. :-(  One of my favorite devices of all time.  Same thing though, it had IM that ran on their servers and you connected to their server sort of thing.  All basically transparent.  Except sometimes it stayed logged into your AIM, MSN, Yahoo even though you weren't on.  Then people would think you were on, but never responding.  It didn't have IRC though.

Yes, sort of... except if someone sends you a message your iPhone will alert you in much the same way as an SMS does.

Anyway, this is a great idea... that Apple have Beta, but not not for masses yet... and they are three months late :-(

So can anyone write on IRC app and have access to these servers of theirs?

Yes, Apple provide a standard API to your app can use the Push service for whatever  it needs, it doesn't have to be an IM/IRC client... could be anything that needs background processing.

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gertsy wrote:
Can't see what's wrong with my Motorola Dyna TAC 8000. Sure the Red LED display in not as trendy as backlit LCD but you can't have everything.
 :-P

:lol:

A couple of months ago I sat my iPhone 3G next to my Nokia 5110 (my first mobile) and thought about how far we have come in the last 9 years!