Amiga's place in the modern computing world - 00s

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Raffaele wrote:

Sig999 wrote:

Ah... so when you say 20 years - you really meant 12 years?

What part of: "Classic Amiga Hardware has 20 years and even latest acclerator card made for Amiga are 12 years old!" you do not understood?  :roll:

Yes, but as soon as you add that 12 year old Accelerator card and that 10 year old PCI bus board and that 8 year old PCI-GFX card and that 9 year old PCI-SoundCard and that 5 year old PCI-USB card... the machine you are talking about is not 20 years old anymore...

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Raffaele wrote:

bloodline wrote:

Just off the top of my head I can run Netscape Navigator on a stone age 68k Mac... that's better than the Amiga.. sadly... :-(

Now your statements are a bit gratuitous...

Are they?

Sure you used Macintosh Machines, and it is obvious that in the age of 68K machines these Mac machines were far more expensive than any Amiga, but have also many, many RAM onboard as standard feature that let them run Netscape Navigator far better than any Amiga could run its browsers...

The cost of the machine wasn't part of your statement... But you could buy a highend Amiga with similar specs to a Mac for around the same price, at that time.

In that Age, Amiga abandoned its first browser, Amiga Mosaic, that was enhanced far more than original Mosaic, and switched to programs like Ibrowse, AWeb, Voyager, that were still BETA software full of bugs...

Does this paragraph support or weaken your argument? I appreaciate English may not be your first language, and I'm having difficulty understanding.

Also Netscape Navigator was supported with a robust team of developers, while Amiga browsers were maintaned by little teams.

And...? That was never in question, you asked "what 20 year old machine would be more productive than an Amiga"... we have given examples.

To make you an example

I have all issues of italian magazine "Enigma Amiga"...

In these historical issues of this magazine (upto 1994/1996 there are well explained how to install Macintosh emulator on Amiga, go on Apple stores and buy the original MacOS, and then install it on the emulated Macintosh, because Office for Mac and Internet browsers for Mac were better than Amiga counterparts...

So 20 years ago the Mac had better software than the Amiga had 20 years ago... fine...

But it is still true that Amiga with enough RAM and decent CPUs could emulate the Mac, better than any real Macintosh Hardware and make these browsers run far better than real Mac.

No they couldn't... the Amiga display hardware was awful at running Mac Apps, most of them expected 16bit displays... and if I ran my Amiga with 256 colours the SErial port couldn't handle the speed of a 33Kbps modem... or even 14.4Kbps for that matter... all the Bus time was used up by the display...

Again then when Amiga browsers evolved, then they surpassed Netscape Navigator in many camps...

No, the last Nascape that runs on a 68k Mac is still better tan any Amiga browser I have on my Amigas...

All over the internet there are testimoniances of people that could affirm that Voyager on Amiga, with enough RAM and a decent processor, it is a very pleasant and unsurpassed experience, more satisfying than any other browser on any platform...

Unfortunately Voyager development was stopped and it could manage only HTML 3.2 without CSS...

I have Voyager 3... it was pretty good, nothing compared with Netscape though...

Also Netscape Navigator is officially dead...

So is the Amiga...

So we could not see any actual match of performances involving these two browsers in a leal competition.

now or 12 years ago when both were in developement?

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Raffaele wrote:

Sig999 wrote:

Raffaele wrote:

But it is still true that ONLY THE AMIGA it is the only 20 years old hardware+software system capable (with decent Accelerator, graphic card, and Audio Card [Maybe PCI-BUS based])

But after you've added all that stuff - it's not really all 20 year old hardware - is it?  If you're going to say '20 year old hardware/software - then strip it down to that and go for it.  Otherwise it's just a fallacious comment.

 to be still productive to write documents, browse internet and get mail and FTP (without be harassed from viruses), and to listen music, and good enough for painting and image retouching too...

Piss off yourself.

I have an old PowerMac 7600, a machine introduced in 1996... it has better CPU, GFX and audio than any Amiga of the same time... plus microsoft office, photoshop, various cad programs, internet explorer and Netscape etc... it's much more useful than an Amgia of the same time... in fact the Architects firm that I got if from only stopepd using it last year... :-o

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Raffaele wrote:

bloodline wrote:

Yes, but as soon as you add that 12 year old Accelerator card and that 10 year old PCI bus board and that 8 year old PCI-GFX card and that 9 year old PCI-SoundCard and that 5 year old PCI-USB card... the machine you are talking about is not 20 years old anymore...

Excuse my poor english

Your English is very good, but I fear you might not be able to express yourself as best/subtly you want.

But in Amiga you can use ancient Picasso96 cards still 20 years old, or even add EL-CHEAPO PCI graphic card that are 5 years old...

I do not see a crime in this...

Still it is only 1992 computer that can mount internal modern PCI Cards with BUS expander...

Also do not make silly statements attempting to confusing readers...

20 years old motherboard it is still 20 years old motherboard...

You can't change this fact...

But that motherboard is providing little more than a few timing signals from the CIAs, ROM access and power (or not if the PCI bus is powered). The real motherboard is the CPU Card + PCI board... the Amiga has been relegated to a Clock and ROM Dongle...