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Re: Frustrated musician
« on: July 17, 2007, 12:17:38 PM »
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Karlos wrote:
My problem is usually that often do imagine components of a song in my head, yet I'm usually up past my eyeballs in work.


That happens painfully often!

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Later, I try to remember it and it's gone. I can sit at the keyboard for a while, play a few chords or perhaps pick a few notes on the guitar, but it never comes back.


Well, I can often recall it, but it never sounds as good as did when I though of it at an inconvienint moment...

That is why home studios are good, as soon as an idea come, get it recorded ASAP...

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Probably a good reason not to buy another instrument :-/


Probably a good reason to buy another instrument!!!!!

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I always plan my peice in painful detail, before I even go near a keyboard/sequencer/sampler... just pen and paper.

If you know where you want to get to, it's much easier to achieve. Don't set your sights to high, often you'll want to write some powerful emotional peice with a very specific message... this is destined to failure unless you've got 10years of experience under your belt. Just choose a topic that interests you, then try to emulate a song you like... once you get experience you can push yourself a bit...


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Re: Frustrated musician
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2007, 10:59:40 PM »
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bloodline wrote:
I always plan my peice in painful detail, before I even go near a keyboard/sequencer/sampler... just pen and paper.

I have always had a problem planning music, partly because I'm never really sure where my music is going, and also because when I do get an idea I find it almost as hard to express it in note form as I do to create the music itself. What form do your plans take? Written notes? Musical notation? Or something else?


Often just notes (not musical notes :-) ), and a structure. then move onto the sequencer and record a few melodies and lead lines... then build it from there.

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Don't set your sights to high, often you'll want to write some powerful emotional peice with a very specific message... this is destined to failure unless you've got 10years of experience under your belt.

Well, I started learning music when I was 4 years old, so that's 20 years experience - I would really expect to be more advanced than I am now :-(


Often the worse thing that can happen from a creativity point of view is to much training... try to work from your feelings.

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Just choose a topic that interests you, then try to emulate a song you like...

I do try to take little bits from other music, like synth sounds I like or drumming styles, though of course I never blatantly rip anything off :-)


If it just for practice, then why not blatenty rip off someitnh that's good? you are not going to sell it or show it as your masterpiece! It's just to get an idea of what things work and what doesn't!

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Thanks for the advice - it's given me a lot to think about.



Have fun, I love music.

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Re: Frustrated musician
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2007, 01:39:39 PM »
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Would you feel comfortable letting me see some of your notes? I think it would be helpful to me to see your creative workflow and maybe learn from it.


Sure, I've got pages of the damn things lying around... they probably won't make much sense to you. But should give a good idea of what I mean... I'll have to dig out my scanner...

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I do sometimes think I'm too analytical of music and not emotional enough. That's a hard habit to break.


um... depends... the initial idea should be emotional (that takes special type of person, I'm lucky enough to have someone like that in my band)... then working out the rest needs to be analytical (which is more my area).

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As for practice, I did used to copy other people's stuff for practice. I once found an a capella vocal from Fatboy Slim's "Praise You" and reworked the whole track. I was really pleased with how it turned out and I learned a lot. Maybe I need to do that again!


Exactly! do that with as many songs as you can. I spent my formitive years working out Depeche mode songs... the experience was invaluble to understanding how a composition should fit together both musically and tibraly.

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Re: Frustrated musician
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2007, 12:11:24 AM »
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motorollin wrote:
Right, I need something new to listen to. I've been browsing the new releases on the iTunes store, but can't find what I'm looking for. I really want something in the same vein as Radiohead's Kid A/Amnesiac era. Any suggestions?

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Hmmm... Well it's not Radiohead... but Depeche Mode's "Playing the Angel" is worth a listen...