PS3 port thread

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koaftder wrote:

With all the AmiDream posts I've been reading for years, its shocking that AROS doesn't get the love it deserves. It's the AmigaOS that runs on platforms that already exist. No dongles, no weird hardware, and most importantly, no freaking corporation to drive it into the ground.

I think it because the people who shout the loudest are the ones who only care about the "Name" (tm) and for some reason adore the PPC (Something I'll never understand)...

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Tigger wrote:

I love when people with no technical background make posts like this (NOT).   First of all, Keyboard and mouse (and for that matter external Blu-Ray burner) plug in just fine, all of them are running on Linux on the PS3.  Graphics acceleration.  If you understand nothing else after this post, learn this.  Because of the direct tie between the cell and the RSX, the graphics (even through the hypervisor) are faster then its possible to do an Amiga One, Samantha, Panda or Megetherium.   Linux isnt running slow graphics on it, its pushing around HD video and full speed, something that can only be dreamed about on the other current contenders for OS4.  The Cell is a 3.2 Ghz G5 quality PPC, even without any enhancements, it will still run all the PPC code they have now 5-6X faster then the fastest AmigaOne and much much faster then Samantha.

That's true the PS3, as cripped by the Hypervisor as it is, is still much faster than an other PPC solution we could buy, exacpt perhaps the XBox (but we wouldn't want to be seen with a Microsoft product now would we...)

But do we really want to be limited to a system that is just a bit better than the Amiga One? Or do we want a nice open system that we can expand and upgrade as far as our funds and devoted devs can take us?

I've been the advocate for x86 since McFleecy bought it, but the time to port to the PS3 (a month for someone competant, 3 months or so for the Frieden brothers) vs a port to x86 (several man years for competant people, infinite time for psuedo twins in there parents basement) isnt a good comparision.   Do you have a better PPC based option or not, because Hyperion isnt interested in porting to x86 and right now they have the source code.
    -Tig

I really don't think an x86 port would take that long, there is simply too much example code and documentation... not to mention AROS... to not get a well written (in nice C) OS ported from the PPC to the x86 in a very short space of time... If anything I would expect the PS3 port to take longer, how many examples and documentations exists to build a brand new OS for it?

Anyway it's a mute point... OS4 isn't going anyware fast (neither the Samantha, the PS3 or the x86)... Download the nightly build of AROS and enjoy it on a nice cheap PC :-)

-Edit- And lets not forget that the PS3 is a games console with a design life. Sony may support it for 3 perphaps 4 years... by which time it's going to look VERY old and slow... then they may decide to use a new CPU, perhpas even an x86! Throwing AmigaOS 4 right back to square one...

Games consoles are nothin but games consoles, they are always behind the Technology curve, they make life easy for someone who just wants to play a game... I was looking at Oblivion on my friends Xbox 360... and I couldn't help but notice how poor the graphics were compared to runing it on my MacBook Pro... or even my two year old Athlon64 3200 with a GeForce 6600 graphics card...  

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JoannaK wrote:
Tigger: that Wii-thingy was supposed to be joke ... I'm not seruously expect port for it anyhow.

But the Wii is a much normal design than either the PS3 or the Xbox 360...

Bloodline: Console lifetime is of course depenmdent of company making them (M$ seems to have shortest lifetime-expectancy), but based of previous Sony history somehitng like seven to ten years could be my guess for PS3. Most likely 4-5 years as their top line model, then similar time as an low-end entry level product.

Ok, so you don't want to upgrade you computer for 10 years... If that were the case, why are we even having this disscusion... the A1200 is good to go! No need for new systems.

In comparision ... Remember it ain't long time ago when Sony still had PSX/PSOne on sale, reaching full 10 years of sales and well over 100 million sold worldwide. And PS2 is nowdays seven years old (had one major model upgrade/ cost cut) it still oversells many newer systems (PS3 and Xbox360) and it managed to overlive camecube and original Xbox, thus having a *HUGE* 115+ Million sold.

Compared with how many x86 systems shiped in the same period?

So.. *IF* this now launched PS3 reaches similar figures that eralier Sony consoles it'll likely to stay on production allmost a decade and to have 100Milion+ systems sold...  And even if it happens to flop (relatively) and sell only 10 million it would still be quite acceptable target for OS porting.

Again only if you want your platform frozen in time at 2007... and with the Console manufactures lack of need for real backwards compatibility (new machines can just emulate the older ones), the OS will be stuck on a dead platrform (again!!), no the OS won't get access to the emualtion and even if it did, what good would that be?

And for 10 years from now? Who knows? Who cares? With the trend of last 10-15 years, is there anyone around with *any* interest to any Amiga related???

For fun, download a free clone of AmigaOS run it on cheap hardware, have fun!!! ;-)