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Re: Amiga - MIDI - guitar
« on: August 16, 2006, 12:52:41 PM »
Not sure what the Amp MIDI box does... it's probably just for switching effects/settings via sequencer (http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop/liverpool/print/1/a/section/e/lines/product_id/12636), very usefull for live work but other than that ...

If you want to record your guitar you can record phrases using a Sample editor (MAKE SURE YOU RECORD TO A CLICK TRACK!)... this can be done using a tracker like OctaMED, then then triger them in the tracker when you want them. I used to work like that and it was something of a nightmare for large projects.

The 8Bit nature of your sampler will tend to make the recordings a little too Lo-Fi for most tastes, and there is nothing you can do about it.

Your best bet would be to get a modern computer, even a cheap PC will do, and then use some nonlinear editing software... I prefer Logic Pro... but you can use an old verion of Cool Edit (Adobe Audition as it's now known). anything will sound much better and be much easier than what can can do with the Amiga now :-(

Any cheap crappy MIDI cable will do... The MIDI harware spec has all but died out in the Pro scene... MIDI over USB is now the standard.

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Re: Amiga - MIDI - guitar
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2006, 07:37:46 PM »
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If you really want to use the Amiga you can get a decent clockport sound card and use it to record the samples. Much better than any of the older soundblasters so I reckon it's enouph.


For the money you'd spend, is it really worth it?

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 PC software is more evolved though and allows many effects etc. to be added. But if you don't wanna mess with that and just want to capture live sound a good tracker on the Amiga will do the job. I guess you could also add effects extenally with dedicated hardware wich would be even better...
Not much of an effects box but I'm thinking of buying a Vox ToneLab amp modeler myself. It also includes a digital output:pint:



Hmmm...

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Re: Amiga - MIDI - guitar
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2006, 07:42:14 AM »
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billchase wrote:
...the ability to use the guitar as an input device IMO is the really cool part...
 


The Guitar can provide sound input, but I'm pretty sure it can't provide midi input (not without some major hacking).  The midi interface on the amp is in/thru only.  I expect the midi capabilities will be limited to controlling the amp (gain, eq, ???).


Exactly, from the link I provided in my post (does no one read my posts any more? :lol:)... the MIDI unit on the amp seems to be nothing more than an easy way to store amp settings and recall them via a sequencer allowing a guitarist to play through a song/set without needing to manually change the amp/effects settings at different points in the song/set.


If you want to get Actually MIDI data out of a guitar then there are plenty of Audio to MIDI converter programs that can be freely downloaded for the PC, though most of them get confused with bends... There are a few boxes you can buy that do this, and have no problem with bends, but I've only used one once... I won't bother again.

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Re: Amiga - MIDI - guitar
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2006, 08:10:26 PM »
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Hi, this is my first post here. Please don`t flame me since English is not my native language and I will probably make a lot of mistakes.  :-D


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I have a question: MIDI interfaces always bring to my mind FM chips (where there is no necessary relation). Ok, Amiga sound is great, but does anybody know of a project using Yamaha FM YM262 to attach to the Miggy? I think about playing MID files while running other stuff - GMPlay is great but uses all my poor 020 CPU to mix the samples.


Nope. Attaching a dodgy FM synth chip has limited appeal to users of Sample capable chips.

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Another question: I scavenged a full 68040 from a friend`s old Mac, is it possible to built an accelerator board at home?


No.

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Looking at the Blizz 060 of my friend, it doesn`t seem too hard. Is there any schematics/layout on the web?
   


No, but if you are into electronics the pinouts of both the A1200's trapdoor and the 040 exist. Remember that you will not only need glue logic between the Amiga and the CPU, but also some RAM controler as the 040 won't be any good without it's own RAM.

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Re: Amiga - MIDI - guitar
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2006, 12:56:11 PM »
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motorollin wrote:
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Oliver wrote:
The Guitar can provide sound input, but I'm pretty sure it can't provide midi input (not without some major hacking).  The midi interface on the amp is in/thru only.  I expect the midi capabilities will be limited to controlling the amp (gain, eq, ???).

Actually, you can get guitar amps which translate the notes you play on the guitar to midi data. So you can use the guitar as a midi controller.

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Yes, but if you (or anyone in this thread!) had followed the link in my first post, you would see that this MIDI Amp does not do this.

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Re: Amiga - MIDI - guitar
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2006, 06:21:59 PM »
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"For the money you'd spend, is it really worth it?"

Honestly ? Depends. For me it's a big yes, mostly because I like/need to have something to record riffs etc in a fast way. Just imagine you wake up in the middle of the night with a cool riff idea and you want to record it as fast as possible and go back to bed or other similar situation (this happends a lot:)) You won't wanna wait till Windows boots up the lauches the application to record it. Just fire up your Amiga and it's ready in 10 seconds:)


Yeah, happens all the time... just buy a Mac instead! :-)

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Re: Amiga - MIDI - guitar
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2006, 04:41:49 PM »
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About quality of sound: I wasn't planning to make professional music, just making some nice sounds for fun and maybe for friends to listen. Plus, I like the somewhat "lo-fi" sound you get with 8-bit audio (I still play a lot of Mod-files every now and then on my PC).


Yes, lord knows I stick bit crushers on pretty much everything now... but just remember that unlike a bit crushing a hi-res sample, you can't any get better than 8bit with the Amiga.

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Maybe I'll put up some soundfiles on a server when I succesfully have recorded some, but that could take months.


That would be cool to hear!

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Does anyone know if it's possible to play the combined Amiga+guitar sound through my amp's speaker, or does the sound go through the Amiga sound output?


Not without a mixer.

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Re: Amiga - MIDI - guitar
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2006, 03:05:33 AM »
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"Yeah, happens all the time... just buy a Mac instead!"

Hmm, what's the Mac booting time these days ?


My MacBook Pro gets from power on to desktop in 33 seconds... not quite the 17seconds my Amiga could do... but better than the 2mins my WinXP machine crawls through a boot up.