Why not AmigaOS4 for x86 Platforms?

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lempkee wrote:
Antiriad:

yeah what a wise comment there :-) , just look how it went for BEos / Warp and all thoose other OS's that just had to go x86 and get wiped off the face of the earth.

sure they have a certain user amount still, sure they have alot of problems getting support for all their devices so naturally they just run XP or whatever to fullfill all their needs.


by saying it simple: there is no way to support x86 unless u support ALL the motherboards and geuss what...wont ever  happen and if people thought the A1 bugs was annoying then you should check the x86 pc arena.

Lempkee... I appreciate you are not a technical person, but please stop spreading FUD... How come AROS can support all these chipsets?

And bugs in PC chipset get sorted out within months, the high volumes means pretty much all problems are gone by the second revision of the Chipset... in the PPC market the first revision is all that the manufactures can afford...

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What are the only Computers in the World that don't crash?

Playstation 2
Playstation 1
Game Cube
N64
SNES
Genesis
XBOX

I've seen both a Playstation 1 and an XBOX crash :-)

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leirbag28 wrote:
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Yes.....but thats extremely rare and is probably fault of cheap components.
Nevertheless no where near how Amigas now crash.

My point still stands

Not really... Amiga's have always crashed... :-)

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os 3.1 on a plain A1200,.............Beauty!!!!

I prefer 1.3 on an A500 with a 512K ram pack.

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You need to realise that sound cards, graphics cards etc. *are* the custom chips of our age. The original amiga custom chips were fantastic in their day and even now are in many respects more flexible than their descendants. However, now in 2005, they are simply quaint. If you can't or won't accept this, then be prepared to be left further and further behind.

Commodore's biggest mistake... Not selling the Amiga custom chips as Graphics and Sound boards for PCs... That would have been a huge source of revenue, and allowed the Amiga technology to develop :-)

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then get a PC for that..thats what those trashy machines are for. and thats why they are trash..............cant even run anything correctly....always always always freezing and causing headaches..............no no no.............I dont agree my friend

eh?

You've been standing too near the microwave again... :crazy:

Whos talking about OLD custom chips? I certainly aint....im speaking of an entirely New Genration custom chipset as standard....................socketed so that they can be upgraded by the parent comapny Amiga Inc................just like the Enhanced Chipset and AGA................except they would be much more advanced................and you saving tons of cash cuz your just changing the chips......you can channel that extra cash in your pocket for the Chips................and Amiga Inc pumping more money into the 2nd set of More SUPER powered Custom Chips would justify it...............cuz every Amigan has the same machine!!!!

Games Console Chipset take millions to develop... Microsoft and Nintendo decided to use modified PC chips instead...

You can't socket chips like that... as Chip tech improves... so the supporting architecture needs to be improved to handle higher speeds and more signals...

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And keep in mind..............any new G5 Amiga to be released will have a much longer life than any Mac or PC and doesnt need to be upgraded for more speed the way PC and Mac do.............its a silly game................and because Amigas are always faster because of its OS.....so it will have a longer life per release of system.
 

The "Long Life" of the Amiga models is due to lack of demanding software, nothing else.

hmmm, they do? how was Hi Toro able to do it? and even if they pumped Millions into it..........wasnt the A1000 worth it? lok at the Following Amiga has now thanks to that. Sometimes sacrifices are way more than worth it. Pump in the money I say if it needs to be...though I dont agree with you.
 

The Amiga Cost over well 7 million, and over 3 years dev time, You don't have the luxuary of 3 years now, modern systems have a 6 month life cycle... and it will cost a  lot more than 7 million.

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Karlos wrote:

mdwh2 wrote:

So what's a "typical" Windows application that taxes the latest CPUs? I guess there's games, but I can't really think of applications (at least, ones that couldn't be similarly discounted as "not typical").

Well, this is my point. This quest for faster and faster is driven mostly by a few types of application (eg games, or to be fair, raytracers etc) whilst the vast majority of software barely makes use of a fraction of the available power.

Which is why I find it amusing that people are complaining about amiga systems running on PPC's that are literally hundreds of times faster than their 680x0 predecessors and are still complaining that they aren't as fast as the latest x86 / x64.

When we have software capable of making full use of the existing systems, with any luck faster (G5, AMD64 whatever) amiga clones will be available for those with manhood insecurities :-)

Audio/video production has benefited from all this horsepower... a few years ago, I needed a studio full of hundreds of 1000s of pounds worth of equipment to do what can be done on a Laptop now! :-D

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Waccoon wrote:

I have a plan that I really believe will work if God permits.

Given the number of bugs on Earth, I'd say God uses Windows.

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DavidF215 wrote:

leirbag28 wrote:
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David, I think that would work, I have a friend who sells Video Toasters for their solutions.and there definitely is still a market for A1200. Just dont sell them as PC replacements but as dedicated machines for a certain task.................as a Character generator for instance.or as you very well said.

Yes. Exactly. The VT is a great example of my idea for Amiga. And, btw, we need something to replace the VT for A1.

Firewire and decent software... infact WindowsXP comes with basic Movie making/edting software... Which I can use when I connect my mates camcorder via the firewire to my PC...

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The same Firewire and Decent software Would work Ten times better on a New G4 A1

Clock for clock it would work much the same. Except the Athlon64 is cheaper (more bang per buck).

you seem pretty happy with your PC

With my Athlon64...? You bet, it's great!

then you dont really need anything from the Amiga world.
 

Not True! Amiga is my History, it's my world. Unfortunatly my view of the amiga future doesn't involve the AmigaONE.

My Classic Amigas, UAE and AROS give me all the Amiga joy I need.

Especially when I find my Classic 68030 Amiga Outperforming it in many ways

I can only think of one area where your Classic amiga outperforms a modern PC... in the style department...

I just imagine a Modern Amiga at comparable level with a PC............it would destroy it

Not really... It would just have less software.

a New Amiga should be your All In One do it All with Super high grade chips (yet still replacable incase they die)

Yeah, that's a good idea... in fact why not put the "Super high grade chips" on separate boards with their own support system and attach them to the CPU using a highspeed serial link... like PCI-Express socket on an HyperTransport bus... that way you can replace them if they die... hell, you could even replace them if you just wanted a faster/better version.

AmigaOS (in a modern incarnation) really is the better OS amongst Windows and MacOS.......no one can ever tell me otherwise.

Yeah, yeah, we all like AmigaOS, that's why we're here... but don't fool yourself. It's a hobby OS, fun... not better, just more fun. And strangly comforting.

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DavidF215 wrote:
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Firewire and decent software... infact WindowsXP comes with basic Movie making/edting software... Which I can use when I connect my mates camcorder via the firewire to my PC...

I use XP and Movie Maker for editing too now. AmigaOS4 needs native Firewire support and DV software so I can have a good reason to buy an AmigaOne.

Ok, I'm missing something... Why do you think the Amiga is comercialy viable?

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Okay maybe I am getting a little old here, but I remember being on some board a few years ago and some dude was up on there promoting a "transputer" and how it's processing power was gonna make the Amiga the most powerful computing platform on the earth.. They ended up not having a market and their wild claims only came to fruition on the Atari ST..  

Actually the Transputer thing is a great example, which is similar to the Cell hype.

I rather like the transputer idea, but it wasa miserable failure for lots of reasons. But I've never forgoten it and neither did the Chip designers... what we are seeing now with modern CPU's are features of these old failed experiments finding a place in the computing mainstream... one idea a did love about the Transputer was the idea of lots of serial links rather than a single parallel bus... and look... we now have a hyper transport technology and PCI-Express... great stuff!!

May

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Waccoon wrote:

Bloodline:  I rather like the transputer idea, but it was a miserable failure for lots of reasons.

Namely, good compilers didn't exist, OSes didn't support multithreading, and doing it yourself was a huge pain.  The world just wasn't ready for super-computer type code on a home computer.

It really all has to do more with coding practices than hardware.  I sure hope Sony's dev tools for the PS3 don't suck anywhere near as bad as they did on the PS2.

Technology also had quite a lot to do with it... For the Transputer idea to work you needed several chips (ie more than one), but each Transputer chip cost around $800 and performed far worse on it's own than the $100-$200 68030 and 386 of the same era.