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Offline mechy

Re: A3000 battery
« on: May 04, 2012, 04:38:03 PM »
Quote from: TenWheeler;690239
I have replaced my battery some time ago. I have issue with external SCSI device and more then one drive on the internal connected. But I think this are related to the ver 4 SCSI chip not the Battery being replaced. I just slapped a SCSI Zorro card in to handle the other devices.


yes, the WD 4 is usually the cause. updating this usually helps. Using a zorro card is usually alot slower than onboard scsi(other than fastlane z3/4091).

without the battery you cant set the scsito synchronous which gives better speed.

mech
 

Offline mechy

Re: A3000 battery
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2012, 04:47:51 PM »
Quote from: Tenacious;690201
The A3000 is, I think, the only Amiga model that stores some SCSI controller settings in memory that is backed by that battery (in addition to the Real Time Clock).  Probably, default values are used if the memory is corrupt, don't know for sure.

It is not difficult to substitute a better battery AND remotely mount it so a leak is much less consequential.  I personally prefer rechargable cordless phone batteries.

No offense ,but i think its dumb to mount ANY battery in a amiga that can leak when there are better alternatives like coin cells.
what you guys don't realize is the leaking batteries often outgas when they leak which is why on some amiga boards you may see corrosion far away from the battery on other components.the fumes inside the case travel.

If you don't like the typical 3volt CR2032 cells, use the LIR2032,its a rechargeable coin cell lithium that fits inthe same cell holder (you must still use the diode),but it starts at 3.6v instead of 3v and will generally be better off with the diode voltage drop and last longer.  there are external wall chargers to recharge this coin cell,like the old cr2032, again it should never be charged by the amiga.

The 3000's battery mem holds several things, it allows the use of LUNS,it holds time and date,and allows you to set scsi into synchronous mode for better speed. it also holds settings for Speeding ramsey for ram access if i recall.

Mech
 

Offline mechy

Re: A3000 battery
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2012, 05:08:38 PM »
Quote from: Kawazu;691581
This is how i replaced my battery in my 3000D






You did a nice job but it will eventually leak. It will now corrode the front of the case and possible led board now when you forget about it in some years. You have only relocated the problem.

mech
 

Offline mechy

Re: A3000 battery
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2012, 08:30:19 PM »
Quote from: matt3k;691603
Hi Mech,

Excuse my ignorance in the matter.  Cells type batteries will never leak?  If true then this would be the best approach.

that is correct, the lithium coin cells do not leak.

NiMh and original nicad barrel style can both leak and cause damage.

Its a misconception that NiMh is a safe replacement,it is not.

Mech
 

Offline mechy

Re: A3000 battery
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2012, 04:34:53 AM »
Quote from: gertsy;691671
Wires to a rechargable phone battery away off the motherboard is the best idea. Sometimes a 2032 lithium coin battery will still drop the RTC because they are only 3v and the Amiga's RTC chip expects 3.5v.

Not having a diode in the circuit and alowing a 2032 lithium coin battery to charge will lead to VERY undesirable results.

the amiga wants 3.6v, which is why i suggest the LIR2032 which is a lithium coin that starts with 3.6v. it will go much longer than 3v coins and is rechargeable on a wall charger(not in amiga). This battery will fit the standard cr2032 holer also. just remember to use a diode.



mech
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Offline mechy

Re: A3000 battery
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2012, 04:41:27 AM »
Quote from: SpeedGeek;691716
That's interesting that you need LUNs enabled to use a CF card. I would ask mechy if he knows how to configure your SCSI/CF adapter to work without LUN's enabled.

I don't expect the shrink wrap to stop battery leakage. It just expect it to contain it enough to prevent damage to the motherboard.

Also, since I don't need a diode I can expect the RTC/memory to run a lot longer than with the coin battery hack. The rechargeable battery charges to approx. 4 volts and has > 100x the current capacity of a coin battery.

the pcd-50B scsi card readers are hard wired with pcmcia slot as lun 0.. so you can use that slot with a pcmcia adapter and cf card and not use luns, you simply will not have access to the other slots like cf,sd/mmc,smart media,and sony memstik which is ok if you just want a cf for a HD.
having the other slots hot swappable can be handy.

I have coin cells going on 5 years and still working btw. the LIR2032 should go way longer before voltage drops too low.

I feel you guys should quit recommending batteries that can leak when we have a better solution,haven't we lost enough nice amigas? i'm tired of fixing battery damaged traces :)

-Mech-
 

Offline mechy

Re: A3000 battery
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2012, 04:44:58 AM »
Sigh.. another leak waiting to happen down the road :(

-mech-
 

Offline mechy

Re: A3000 battery
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2012, 06:20:26 AM »
Quote from: matt3k;691994
Ok Mech,

I think you sold me on them.  I am researching on switching over to them, I know they are not suppose to leak, but has anyone in the world ever had one leak?

If yes, I will still mount if off the mb.

Regards,

Matt


all you have to do is look at the chemestry of them. they don't leak.. i have been using them for 10+ years. never a failure.they must have the diode to isolate them tho or they can pop lol.

mech
 

Offline mechy

Re: A3000 battery
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2012, 06:24:01 AM »
Quote from: zipper;691687
I thought the chips usually run about @ 2+ Volts (my A500 expansion did have a 2.4V battery...)

you probably have a different clock chip, many different ones were used on expansions, we are mainly taking for amiga motherboards like 2000,3000,4000 etc which use a Ricoh rp5c01 chip.