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Offline mechyTopic starter

Fake 68060 71e41J cpu's on ebay
« on: January 16, 2012, 07:31:37 AM »
Anyone considering buying the 68060 chips from seller I.V.TAN on ebay dont bother. I won all of them originally and they are fake. I sent the info back to him with the chips and got a refund. He aparently does not deem it necessary to tell people they are fakes..:furious:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1lb-0-4oz-Gold-Recovery-CPUS-Processors-10PCS-/280803982233?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item416138bb99

These are china remark fake 68lc060's rev 4 remarked to the 71e41J mask.
they are missing the fpu. they are NOT revision 6 chips as marked

Mech
« Last Edit: January 16, 2012, 07:38:44 AM by mechy »
 

Offline mechyTopic starter

Re: Fake 68060 71e41J cpu's on ebay
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2012, 03:43:00 PM »
Right the original auction i won had the mask and part numbers listed.He had 40 total of the cpus, i bought all 40 and tested with which amiga and they are indeed fake. Granted the amiga will run with a LC chip,but being rev 4 they probably wont overclock much and even if so you are missing the fpu which is important to many things.

He is now selling as scrap gold,but by doing so there is no need for a picture of the top of the chip with part # and mask,its just my theory that he is trying to capitalize on people thinking they will get a real 71e41J cheap driving the bidding up. Maybe its not intentional, who knows.
As i say i had the chips in my hand and they did appear to be brand new,no evidence of ever being installed but only useful for a key chain :D

Edit: @shapeshifter: no he did not put up a fight and said he didn't know. claimed he bought them from a company local to him that went under.who knows if thats true,or not i was just happy i got every dime back. Now that the chinese have found the world market on chips, tons of fakes are popping up everywhere.

Mech



Quote from: ShapeShifter;676139
The new auction doesn't include it, but the original auction (the one mechy and myself saw) was very specific about the CPU model, giving detailed processor information within the title and auction description.



Ah, here it is:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280795073645

I should also mention that when I queried the auction with the seller, he said the 68060's "looked brand new" and said they "were not pulls" (i.e. they hadn't been pulled out of a CPU socket of a computer system).  He wouldn't outright say they were working, however, or give me any information as to how he got ahold of them.   The seller may or may not have had honest intentions, but since the description was off, the winner was entitled to a refund.  I am curious, however, as to whether the seller tried to put up a fight or whether he apologised for the error and accepted the returns.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2012, 04:41:17 PM by mechy »
 

Offline mechyTopic starter

Re: Fake 68060 71e41J cpu's on ebay
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2012, 04:47:18 PM »
Well yes, they do blow away the 020/030 but you won't be putting a 060 in their sockets ;D

The XC chips are not qualified parts, basically motorola is sorting them to find the fully working ones to mark as MC/RC. Many XC's were fully working with MMU and FPU. Supposedly when motorola was low on EC chips they would remark the XC or RC parts,so its possible some EC's are full chips,but i have not run across any yet.The fakes do have a MMU but no FPU.

If you want the best one,look for the MC prefix and RC as fully qualified.

If you look close on the fakes you can see their printing is not very good and the color is a bit off.
Mech

Quote from: ChaosLord;676156
Sure!  If they are cheap.

An LC060 still blows away a lame 030 or 020!

How much are these LC060s selling for?



Not required.

Did these chips have an MMU?

BTW: u can never trust the markings of any 060 100%.  You must always test the chip to see if it really has an MMU or FPU.

For example: The 060 in my A1200 has markings that indicate no MMU.
Yet the chip really does have a working mmu!

For some ppl (like me) a MMU is more valuable than an FPU.
 

Offline mechyTopic starter

Re: Fake 68060 71e41J cpu's on ebay
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2012, 04:55:04 PM »
I bought these cpu's knowing there was a 95% change they were fake. I wasn't worried about getting my money back because paypal and ebay protect buyers well,and worst case my credit card company would of went after him if needed. Of course on the off chance i was wrong and they were real then WOO HOO!
Unfortunately they were fake. i had my money back in 3 days,so it was worth a try.

You are right though bill, it is becoming a really bad problem. Its why i try and mainly deal with certified chip brokers that test the parts.It seems any parts worth anything are being faked these days.

Another sad thing is our beloved motorola parts with gold in them are all being scrapped by the toms now since the price of gold is up. All the gold chips amiga people need etc will become scarce soon.

They are getting more clever at pushing their fake goods, many of the china sellers establish someone in the usa to use as a shell ebay seller.
Your bluray experience is a perfect example.

Mech



Quote from: billt;676161
I'm not really surprised that this finally bit one of us. And I expect the situation to only get worse. Coutnerfeit semiconductors has become a huge problem. I think sometime last year newegg dropped one of their suppliers because customers were getting fake chips that were nothing more than poor die-cast molds of CPU chips, expensive ones. The fan inlcuded was little more than a plastic block with a sticker on it. Counterfeit parts have affected how big companies do purchasing, with new industries coming up to provide verification services. Some fakes are simply pulls marked as new parts. Some things get relabelled, as it seems was done in this auction. Some things get relabelled as completely different products than what the die is. Some packages a re cleaned and relabelled to look new. Some things are repackaged. Some things probably don't even have die in the package. I bought a very cheap compared to elsewhere Bluray drive off Ebay, claiming to be whatever brand/model, but all the brand/model labelling on the thing was blacked out. Looks like it had said what I would expect it to, as you could sortof make out the original labelling through the censor blocks, but I do have to assume this was a factory reject salvaged by the seller, which is another popular counterfeit practice. It worked OK as a reader and to burn DVD disks, never have put a blank bluray disk in it, and now that laptop has died so I'll have to get an external case for the drive to find out. In time, I won't really trust any ebay from China stuff, though it looks like that auction was located in USA.
 

Offline mechyTopic starter

Re: Fake 68060 71e41J cpu's on ebay
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2012, 08:11:52 PM »
Quote from: VuData;676315
They are listed again (assuming these are the same processors)...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1lb-0-4oz-Gold-Recovery-CPUS-Processors-10PCS-/260936891502?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cc10cfc6e#ht_500wt_1180


He had 40 cpu's with straight pins and a bunch supposedly with smashed pins. he seems to just be selling them in lots of 10.

mech
 

Offline mechyTopic starter

Re: Fake 68060 71e41J cpu's on ebay
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2012, 08:18:21 PM »
If these were true MC/RC parts and 71e41J mask they would be worth way more than the gold recovery.
As they are they aren't very usefull. It takes alot of these cpu's to make any substantial gold. they dissolve the gold off in a chemical process then separate it out of the "soup" as i understand it.
Sadly since the value of gold is going so high we will start seeing all of our cool old motorola chips(and other gold) being tossed for scrap now.

They will become scarce now :(


Quote from: Xanxi;676313
Any idea how much gold there actually is in such a CPU?
I think that the gold value may be less that the CPU value in case of the 68060.
 

Offline mechyTopic starter

Re: Fake 68060 71e41J cpu's on ebay
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2012, 10:52:20 PM »
If you are in .NZ, You might send them to anthony hoffman at Christchurch,NZ. His site is amiga.serveftp.net  i bet he could fix them if possible and at a min. shed some light on if they are fixable.

Mech


Quote from: actung_bab;676348
Am curious i have 2 060 cpus here came with buggered blizzard 2060 board to brought locally of auction site i was told that cpus chould been installed wrong way around
And the lgoic chip needed reprograming on the board apprently only cde can do this
I emailed them no rpley dam germans hehe
curious does anyone think they chould be good still , i also brought one of ebay donkeys
ago and was solidered to circuit baord just cut of roughly yikes was cheap though should know <
friend who runs elctronics biz said be job getting solider of the pins so never
Bothered just left in its case wasint a amiga sourced 060 was like ec version
Love to get board fixed looks mint toying with idea sending to amiga france
I emailed him year ago just havent got courage to do it , its long way to send something
 

Offline mechyTopic starter

Re: Fake 68060 71e41J cpu's on ebay
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2012, 11:12:03 PM »
Quote from: VuData;676343
Are these likely to be any good?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/260618840054?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_1948wt_1064

Those are the early 060's they work fine,but run warm (01f43g mask)
as for the particular ebay seller, your guess is as good as mine ;)
Looking at his feedback,people have had some problems with his stuff so you probably have a 50/50 chance :)

Mech