Poll: Let the A2000 or A3000 go?

[mechy]

wow,you couldn't be more wrong.an orphan? every zorro2/3 card that works in a 4000 works in the 3000,short of a few accelerators that just dont clear drive bays.A2000 zorro2 cards will work in it(but who wants these slow cards).The same floppy in the 2000 will fit the 3000,just remove the bezel..except many 3000's came with HD floppies which was a plus.. the 3000 is a full 32bit with zorro3. its faster than the 2000 in every way. the 3000 030/25 is not slower than a A2000 030/25.
The on board scsi works just fine-short of some which had term power diodes soldered in backwards. i've used mine with everything from cd changers,burners,ZIP,syquest and about every kind of hard drive imaginable  not to mention the scsi cd card readers i sell. i'll give you the zip ram,but thats why there was the amifast zip to simm boards,so you could use  simms. Better yet a real accelerator with 64/128 fast ram and even faster scsi.Stick a gfx card in that 2k and it will crawl on zorro2 especially in any 24bit res.if all you do is play games,it doesn't matter.
The case is cramped though,its not the best design.

So basically 90% of the stuff you said was typical misinformation,the 3000 outclasses the 2000 on ram access,zorro3 speed,fast accelerator support and can use any card the 2000 can,short of A2K accelerators,which are not needed.  Your right,you are biased,you certainly ignore the facts as far as i can tell.Are you doomy's brother?:lol:

Btw,most people who run their 3000 without a battery cant put the scsi in synchronous mode,which is good for a nice speed boost because the battery keeps the scsi settings NVram from being lost.

Mech

Personally, I don't even think there is a contest here. The 2000 should stay. The 3000 is a nice machine, but, it was always the orphan with very little hardware support. On the other hand, everything worth while ever made, was made for the 2000.

Not sure about other models, but, my 030/25 3000 was a dog compared to an GVP 030/25 A2000 that I currently use. Also, the onboard SCSI isn't really that great either. All of this taken into consideration, plus the pain of zip rams and lack of real estate inside the case, and the A3000 is a nice looking machine, with not much going for it.

I will admit, the 15 pin VGA out is nice, but, with the availability of scan doublers from places like AmigaKit which fully support the A2000, that's really not a selling point.

The good news is, you are correct that you can fetch a kingly sum for the 3000 because for some reason people slobber over these machines and are willing to pay big bucks for them.

If it were a 3000T, that would be different.

I also should mention that I am an A2000 nut, and have owned many of them over the years. So, I am a bit biased. ;-)

[mechy]

I had a really nice A2000 back in the day.



My ancient revision 4.0 A2000 was super stable and quite fast once the Kickstart and workbench was relocated to 32BIT ram. It was actually quite a bit faster than a stock 4000.

Comparing a accelerated machine to a stock machine,i should hope it was. of course you still ignore the expansion A2000 zorro bus which was quite slower.maybe a stock A4000 compared to a stock 2000 makes more sense. i wonder what wins? :roflmao:

Everyone I knew with 3000 and 4000s were always needing some magical combination of busters and dmacs to get a stable system. At the time said I was very happy not dealing with that drama, but sure I would have traded my 2000 for a similarly configured 3000

More Misinformation being spread. the A3000 is quite stable with the lesser dmac 2 and ramsey4. Buster 11 was the more important upgrade especially from buster rev 7 or lower the old boards came with,it enabled fully working zorro3.
The A4000 didnt have a dmac/ramsey trouble. Maybe you shouldnt listen to this so called everyone person.Most 4000's came with buster 9 or 11.

Between the 2000 and 3000 I'd still pick the 3000, partially because I have never had one.

Other than that, the faster Z-III bus and built in flicker fixer would be the selling point.
 
I really don't see one significantly better than the other. The are both pretty ugly on the outside bu today's standards - not sleek and modern like the wedge computers

If you are not doing this for financially motivated reasons, Have you ever thought of unloading both and putting together a 4000?

Everyone comments on how worthless of an upgrade AGA was.

I remember reading about the specs on ECS when it came out and was truly underwhelmed. About the only good news there is that existing computers could be upgraded.  

AGA on the other hand is a significant improvement with 8bpp in any mode and 4X the speed.

Lots of cool stuff will use AGA but not a GFX board. Paint programs, etc. I love watching AGA demos on my 1200

Now the above you said is good information.AGA is usefull if you like aga games. and 256 colors was better than 16.AGA is no slower than ECS.

to get back on track and not hijack the thread,keep the 3000 if you want to keep the best machine,and sell the 2000. Sell the 3000 if you need the most money and keep the 2000


Mech

[mechy]

To me, the A3000 takes up more space and there's more wires by the time you add an external floppy and CD drive. One of the reasons I won't deal with a wedge system Amiga anymore. Not an issue though if I kept the A3000, 'cause I'd have Deneb to handle what I'd be doing on CD-ROM  

you can add a second floppy inside the 3k you know ;)pull one out of the 2k and remove the front drive bezel.
no getting around the cdrom :cry:
The deneb is nice.i wish i had been able to afford 1 or 2 more before they disappeared.

Mech

[mechy]

Of course! Not exactly an economical proposition though. For the cost of another internal proper A3000 drive (no bezel cutting), I can buy a full A2000 system.  :lol:

the 2000 drive fits in a 3000 perfectly with no bezel cutting, you just need the to install a 3000 button on it

but i guess were getting off track,you have a important decision to make

good luck!  mech

:eek:Subliminal message: keep the 3000:eek:
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[mechy]

LOL!  Happen to have any of *those* just laying around?  :lol:

Oh yea,many,but they just happen to be laying in the machines that use em :roflmao:

Mech

[mechy]

Sell both and get an A4000T or alternatively an A4000. Allows you to use any Zorro expansion (Z3/Z2) and, even if you're not impressed by AGA (I'm not either), some AGA games and demos are very cool.
I'm in a similar situation myself but between an A4000D and an A4000T It's been ages and I never managed to decide which one to let go..

He has the right idea.. one thing alot of people don't realize you can do is put a switch on the 3 prong pal/ntsc header on the motherboard. run it to the back expansion plate so its easily accessable. this gives you a way to keep it in pal or ntsc at the flick of the switch for games.It also saves you from having to do it in the early start menu which defaults back each poweroff.. its easiest done on the 3000/4000's.