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Nlandas wrote:
    Is that Troll bait? Because I for one won't own a product by Apple if they paid me. Steve Jobs is far worse than Bill Gates.

Jeez! Unless you pull your head back really hard... you won't see the sunshine any time soon...

Back to some positivity:

Ronald Nicholson (http://www.sothius.com/hypertxt/welcome.html?./additional/a1000signatures.html & http://www.nicholson.com/rhn/photo-cv.html) was spotted at this year's WWDC 2008 (http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/), and he's now an iPhone developer!

Glad to see some sensibility around!

OH, and BTW Nlandas:
You'd better thank Steve Jobs, because as recounted by Ronald Nicholson himself, it was something that Steve said about the Macintosh that caused Ronald to leave Apple (*) and join Jay Miner and create the Amiga 1000! (**)

* Ronald designed/worked on some of the chips of the Apple II, Macintosh, most of the chips in the Amiga, and your Nintento 64. He's an unsung hero and a legend, without whom we'd not have our lovely Amigas!

** This story will be told in detail one day.

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@Oliver:

I don't know HOW you tried using Macs and OSX, but as a hardcore techie, I've found it anything BUT an obstacle to work with them. There's Terminal, and that gives me a gateway to the world of Unix/BSD/XNU/Darwin, and that's just about anything an Amiga and Linux geek could ever ask for.

I'm especially confused about what you say as far as networking protocols, especially in light of the fact that OSX uses 100% openly supported protocols. There's almost NOTHING proprietary other than AFP (Apple File Protocol).

Lastly, almost *all* the hardcore computer geeks in the Silicon Valley (and if that doesn't mean much to you, well then there's no sense in continuing this) are using Macs and OSX. You'd think they'd know something, right?

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amigadave wrote:
I agree that Apple products are not for everyone, and particularly not for the geek squad that has the technical smarts to want low level control of every electronic gadget

That's such a myth and IT HAS TO STOP RIGHT NOW. I don't know about you, but I breathe technology everyday, hardcore, and I've not had any problems using OSX and Apple products. Granted the older Mac OS (pre-OSX) wasn't that hacker friendly, but as far as I'm concerned give me Linux or OSX, or even Amiga OS, it's the same thing. Just don't give me Windows. Now *that* makes you jump through some real hoops to tweak to your heart's content (without Cygnus, you're handicapped).

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@Oliver:

my previous post to you was for your first post. This is for your second.

Your posts (both) are full of vagaries: you talk about high level features that don't work, but you don't explain which ones you're talking about. Frankly, they ALL work, but you won't accept that. There's a chip somewhere on your shoulder.

However, what I wanted to stress here is something that you and most people who've never used a Mac, always miss, and it's understandable, because if you didn't, you wouldn't be talking (or at least saying what you're saying). HOWEVER, the vast majority of people DON'T MISS IT. They GET IT. Inexplicably you articulated it perfectly, yet you still don't see it.

Here's what they get, and you don't:

Oliver wrote:
I think iPod's are well made, and very pleasantly simple, which I think is appropriate for that kind of product.

It's *REALLY* tough to make something simple, yet good, yet powerful, yet complete. Apple excels at this, and believe me (or anyone): it takes a lot of very hard work and some extremely impressive individuals to achieve this. Not many companies can claim this ability.

And frankly, THAT is what makes their products sell, my friend. Marketing works too, but if the products were crap, they wouldn't sell and have the high satisfaction rates they do:

http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/04/01/iphone-scores-79-in-customer-satisfaction-survey-rim-trails-at-54/

http://www.gadgetell.com/tech/comment/apple-rim-take-top-honors-for-cellphone-satisfaction-palm-pulls-in-the-rear/

(search for key word "satisfaction" in the below link)
http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/09/steve-jobs-keynote-live-from-wwdc-2008/

http://www.vendorrate.com/Vendors/Apple+Inc



And last but not least, developers seem to be invigorated once again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Design_Awards#2008_Winners

I dare you to spend some time looking at the winners of the design awards and their software. You see, good technology inspires good products. This should be vividly familiar to any Amigan who lived the early days of the Amiga and Commodore.