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Re: Looking for a non-yellow working NTSC A1200, paying $150
« on: March 13, 2007, 08:49:36 PM »
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DonP1 wrote:
I am puzzled why you would want to throw away $150 if you have an emulator. Is having the actual hardware really worth it?


Why fix up an original classic car when you can buy a modern kit car replica?  Why go rock climing when you can just go to one of those rock climbing gyms?



Because it's a FAKE EXPERIENCE!
Because it's an ILLUSION, and your smarter brain (not the one that typed the abve message), CAN and WILL tell the difference!

People, watch the first Matrix movie. Pay attention to the steak scene. Understand the reason you're are who you are: only human. And that means tangible creatures in a 4 dimensional world. We've not been "jacked in yet" (although we're getting much closer). So that means that tactile sense and tangibility is inate and insubordinate.

Emulators are cool and fun, but you're only fooling yourself, for as long as you can.

Now, don't take this wrong: I'm not dismissing emulators. I think having both is good. Especially if you need to do anything that needs to exceed the computing power of the native hardware.

All I'm saying is: have both (covers you legally too :)

Lastly for prices: I certainly don't like high prices, as I'm not the one with the deep pockets, yet seeing how the Amigas still command such high prices and trying to understasnd it, I've come to the conclusion that it's NOT due to the "greedy eBayers" people. It's simple: that "old" "retro" "80's" "vintage" "yellowing" (shame on you who uttered these words) Amiga is JUST THE BEST FREAGGING HOME COMPUTING MACHINE EVER MADE!!!!!!!!!

Certain people (most), understand this, believe this and are willing to pay for it. If you want to change this, you have to convince this majority otherwise. Good luck, because you'll be starting with a false promise.

SO SHUT UP YOUR CRYING AND WHINNING! You're not getting an IBM clone, nor an Amstard, nor an Atari, nor a Mac. You're getting the BEST. PERIOD. And that means you'll pay top bucks, 10 years later, and 20 years later, and even more down the road.

And after all, if they were such "unworthy" items, why the hell do you want one? GO HOME, YOU LAZY BUMS! (You're lazy because as certain people pointed in this thread, IF you do your homework and be patient, you'll pay very little for your Amiga, because afterall, you want it for free, because you THINK it's worth as much as an Atari, etc..)

Finally: think of where ELSE you spent your money. I bet that "BRAND NEW" (Made in China) printer or scanner you bought cost almost as much as $100, and yet you KNOW that P.O.S. (piece of s...) will BREAK, GUARANTEED, in less than 1 year, or nearing the 1 year warranty date, _UNLIKE_ that Amiga. So _why_ is such an AWESOME machine that lasts, oh, about 20+ years already, not worth that $100-300 price? EH?? WHY??? Keep on shopping your plastic garbage, and being suckered every year by changing interfaces and "1 year death-designs", and leave this "old vintage" hardware to us, ok?


Note: I like other old-school hardware, including Atari's :-), but I know what's number one.

 

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Re: Looking for a non-yellow working NTSC A1200, paying $150
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2007, 08:53:09 PM »
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Anyway I've spent a small fortune on my Amiga 2000 and have not succeeded in getting it to run consistently or right for that matter.  I spent the money to learn the OS and the hardware, whatever.......

My 2 cents

Neil


Errr... please don't listen to this dribble, because there are THOUSANDS of peolpe who've done the same and the hardware works just fine for them.

Sure there are problems, as with ALL hardware (ever tried a PC? heck, even my Macs have had hardware problems), but most of it is documented, and extremely well for such "old vintage" hardware such as the Amiga.

Just like anything else in life (notice: this does not apply to lazy people), do some research and reading, and you won't fall in the holes. Simple.

So for the record: my Amigas work perfectly. Only time I had trouble was wheen hardware burned or died (which, surprise!, happens on any hardware that exists on this planet!)
 

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Re: Looking for a non-yellow working NTSC A1200, paying $150
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2007, 09:03:22 PM »
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computer recycling places that could be had for a few dollars. it's this endless search for the $20 system that has warped my perspective over the years. and at the same time i have a $2000 synthesizer, a $1000 laptop, a $500 set of monitors, a $500 audio interface, etc, etc... all this and i still don't want to pay more than $20 for a C64! :-P good way to get started, i guess...


That's what I'm talking about! Look at the where money goes!

Now that's a guy I like: jbuonacc. Honest and realistic.
 

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Re: Looking for a non-yellow working NTSC A1200, paying $150
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2007, 09:06:39 PM »
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This is because eFraud is a pit of vipers! The price something fetches on eBay is by no means an accurate measure of its value. I don't know why some people use eBay prices as a measuring stick for an item's worth. That mindset is completely ludicrous.


No, that's not true. If you sit down and compare eBay prices with prices in ami-bench, and various forums and of course NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT "freebies" from Craiglist, then you'll realize that people selling an Amiga and KNOWING what they are selling, will quote simlar prices.

You can't realistically say that "market value" includes people who DON'T know what they are selling, because it's like telling me that a kid in Africa that tries to sell you a "pretty rock" for $1, which then you take home and realize is a diamond, all of a sudden makes the "market value" for diamonds lower. I don't think so.

Note: I'm not necessarily an eBay lover, in fact most of the times I've lost most bids I really wanted to those with deeper pockets, etc, but I'm not unrealistic enough to make it be the sole reason for the high prices.
 

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Re: Looking for a non-yellow working NTSC A1200, paying $150
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2007, 09:47:21 PM »
Just a little clarification: I'm passionate about what I write and Amigas, so please don't be fully offended when reading my posts... I wasn't angry and yelling at you in particular, just being very assertive and speaking in general. Blah, you can always ignore it too, but I just hope my logic can be seen as lucid and reasonable.

And with that: Amiga OR DIE! :-D
 

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Re: Looking for a non-yellow working NTSC A1200, paying $150
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2007, 09:48:22 PM »
@James:

I find it hard to read posts with multiple quotes, so I was trying to keep each quote separate. Forgive the wordiness.
 

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Re: Looking for a non-yellow working NTSC A1200, paying $150
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2007, 09:37:19 AM »
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jbuonacc wrote:

?? not sure i understand this one... a stock Falcon030 is worth a good bit more than a comparable(?) A1200, and a nice ST setup will get more than an A500. they're not exactly spec'd alike, but as for comparing competing models...


jbuonacc, I was talking about general prices, not specific comparisons. In general most Atari items (in my experience) are cheaper than Amiga items.

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and of course everyone knows that Atari's product design and quality control were always leagues beyond that of Commodore/Amiga. ;-)


I can't profess any true expertise in Ataris, so I'll take your word here, although this is the first time I hear of this quality issue. Personally I've never really had major problems with the Amiga build quality, but it certainly wasn't top notch.

BTW, good catch on the A1200 with the split (or so it looks) bottom. I'd guess a screw or something, as I've had similar problems with A500's and screw "sockets" going bad...


As for Doomy and the A500... I don't know if you've read through forums, it seems you're new here, but I don't think he's what you call "a poor guy". And it seems like you're playing with fire... so don't come crying back if you get stung (as many, MANY, people have in the past; here, check this out: http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=retrogeek001&Dirn=Received+by)
 

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Re: Looking for a non-yellow working NTSC A1200, paying $150
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2007, 09:46:06 AM »
@gdanko:

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

That was the BEST Doomy joke so far :-D


As for eBay and gripes, it's not different than any other (capitalistic) business. Money is their bottom line. Investors are their bosses, and they're greedy by default. So the company, or corporation more correctly, will always push to increase margins. Of course those increase only by our explotation. I don't like it either, "but I understand", as Chris Rock would have said. Perhaps I'm still too naive about it..

I had no idea about eBay limiting sales (like the Solaris incident you mentioned). I hope it's not wide-spread; I surely wouldn't like that happening to me or anyone else either!
 

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Re: Looking for a non-yellow working NTSC A1200, paying $150
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2007, 09:51:42 AM »
@kd7ota:

Exactly what I was trying to say :-) And I also got the same feeling when hooking up an old Amiga after some time... It's the exact same feeling.

But like I said: "all with measure". Having the best of both worlds is the way to go.
 

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Re: Looking for a non-yellow working NTSC A1200, paying $150
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2007, 11:50:42 AM »
@jbuonacc:

Heh, I've broken many a hardware over my knee, and I know an A500/A1200 is do-able, but would hurt a lot. Now as for the Atari, I have to admit: from the looks of the ST/STE, it's going to be hurting twice or more :-D  They do look rather sturdy. Haven't had contact with them since the last millenium, so I can't recall many details :-/

As for 'RetroGeek', I wish you good luck (also keep in mind he might be 'monitoring' these forums and acting accordingly; just had to throw the conspiracy theory in there :-D )
 

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Re: Looking for a non-yellow working NTSC A1200, paying $150
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2007, 11:56:06 AM »
@justthatgood:

I'm trully saddened to hear the decay our country and population is facing, in the hands of incompetent morons (government, and this includes both Republicans and Democrats), and I do wish you, a fellow Amigan, the best in this new year. At the same time, because you touched some important subjects, I just wanted to give out some info, that I'm aware of, which is shocking (to non-Californians), granted that it's mostly Bay area specific:

* Tax around here is 8.25%
* Many many people drive or commute 20-30 miles each way, minimum
* Gas is now $3.25 - $3.50
* "Average" rent per month is between $1200 - $1600 for 1 bedroom, maybe 2
* Owning a house means you havta put down at least $600,000

This place is freagging INSANE! Weather is the bomb (usually) :-)

That's all. Now time to cry :-(
 

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Re: Looking for a non-yellow working NTSC A1200, paying $150
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2007, 09:56:25 PM »
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terminator4 wrote:
On Ebay: the biggest {bleep} is that Seller Protection Policy with paypal (it's nonexistent).  So sellers get screwed.  Buyers want paypal b/c its offering credit payments and buyer protection (questionable too).  Who wins?  Ebay.  Who loses - sellers.  Which is why so few people want to take paypal.  


Can you explain that bit some more? If the seller has proof of delivery etc, what's the problem? You mean eBay sides with the  buyers most of the time?
 

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Re: Looking for a non-yellow working NTSC A1200, paying $150
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2007, 09:58:05 PM »
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Case in point is the A600 they use those cheap plastic tabs on the case instead of more screws. While the case can be taken apart without breakage you need to have the hands of a surgeon!


I must have the hands of surgeon then! Never broken an A600 :-D

But I agree, screws and better plastics would have been much much better construction-wise.
 

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Re: Looking for a non-yellow working NTSC A1200, paying $150
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2007, 10:01:11 PM »
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But some local guy sees an extraordinarily clean A4000 go for $800 on eBay. In the meantime he has some yellowed hunk of junk but doesn't perceive there is a difference because it still boots up and works. He wants to gouge you for 700-800 for a local transaction because of unrealistic eFraud pricing.


True, but those are rare! I mean, come-on, how many A4000 deals start at $800 ??? I've only seen a couple over the past few months. Most start at the usual $0.99, because they know the market will decide where it's at.

And anyhow, the way to stop that is not by blasting eBay, but 1) no bidding on such items 2) notify the seller that he's on crack (and possibly try to sell him some more? :-D ) and 3) make other people aware of this stupidity (here or other forums, so that anyone reading will feel pressured "by society" that bidding on such high price items will cause other similar items to possibly have such ridiculous starting prices as well
 

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Re: Looking for a non-yellow working NTSC A1200, paying $150
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2007, 10:04:46 PM »
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Plus, he swears everyone else is vulgar. I cannot imagine all of the vulgar and lazy non-paying eBay users are coincidentally enthusiasts who respond to his auctions.


gdanko, I think it's all the buyers that are calling him a vulgar mouth thief, not the other way around.

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One thing I find particularly amusing and interesting about Doomy is his "he only did it in retaliation" excuse. He seems to have used this one for just about all of his negatives.
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Does he really believe anyone is going to buy his defense that he was always the victim who was attacked first? Especially with the reputation he has created for himself it will be extremely difficult to garner any credibility.


I think that's what qualifies him as a whacko! :-D