Commodore trademark has a new daddy

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I'm not a native English speaker, so could you please clarify if you claim to have an exclusive license to use the Boingball image? That would directly contradict AInc's settlement with Hyperion, that's why I'm asking.


AFAIK, neither the check mark nor the letter A are registered trademarks in the US or Europe - I was actively searching for registered Amiga related trademarks a while ago. Could you give us some serial no. or anything like that so we can check the registration in the USPTO database?

If they're not registered, any claims of ownership are on somewhat shacky ground IMHO. The italic "A" (I doubt you can actually protect that at all) hasn't been used commercially for fifteen years, the last commercial use of the checkmark was a decade ago (and if I don't tell you where it has been used, you'd never find out).

I commented on that here
Please read my interpretation and tell me if I'm wrong.

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Also, what happened to their tablets? Their "SHOP" does not work for how long now. I guess they didn't have money to actually buy and rebrand those things.
Steven

somewhat newish info

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accept the futility of hating the inevitable.

Post inspired by the Borg?

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The ART thread I can kind of understand been bumped... But this one? For a full week no one bothered posting anything in it the suddenly a bump. Especially as there has been no new news regarding anything to do with this thread.

For good reason.
The fur is really flying overseas on this one. Heh.

enjoy

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So, did C-USA fail to pay their $250,000 to Asiarim/Commodore Corp/whatever they're called this week and thus deprive them of funds?  Is this the same C-USA that wants us to pay them in advance for new hardware?  Are they still entitled to even use the Commodore name or will that need to be renegociated?

It is all very confusing.

I've consulted with numerous people regarding Commodore history since the war began between Yeahronimo and Tulip.
Yes, it's confusing, because the news reports and the truth are at odds. The whole thing started out dirty and it's ending up dirty.
Names become confusing, not just because they change them, but also because there is often a "company" name responsbible for so-called daily business and a different "licensing" name operating simultaneously for just that purpose.
Example:Asiarim-daily business (lol) and Commodore Licensing B.V. (recently declared bankrupt) responsible only for the licensing end.
Fact is if all documentation is correct, the same man was in charge of Yeahronimo, CIC, Reunite, Asiarim etc.
I am extremely suspicious of Commodorecorp and their resuscitated website as well as the information posted ON it just days ago.
I reserve the right to change my opinion, but I see a fight going on to hold onto the IP and licensing rights...and it ain't pretty.

Until I see a press release regarding outcome in the court, I'm very wary of what I read anywhere else on people's "corporate" websites.

Regarding any agreement CUSA might have had with Asiarim at the time, it is my understanding that IF there is a change in ownership of the Commodore IP, there would be a grace period to address such issues. This seems logical since ownership changes are a common occurence.

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I'm a bit confused by the spaghetti mess and what it means. Does this mean that cusa's announcement of owning the commodore brand name and ip is now bull**** like everything else they have announced? Sounds to me like not only is that now bull****, but they may not have the legal right to use the brand name commodore anymore.... See http://www.commodorecorp announcement...http://www.commodorecorp.com/

Maybe dammy their puppet would like to chime in on this?

I believe my post above is accurate. In the event of the change of ownership of the IP and/or licensing rights holder, there would be a grace period to address such a change.

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Thanks for that little summary.  Keep up the good work reporting on this "mess" and try not to go mad understanding it.  

It sounds like a clear case of companies within companies moving money around so that only a few people know where it is and nobody knows when chunks of it go missing.

Posted in the "Massive Announcement" thread from 10 or 11 weeks ago:

There has been a delay obviously.....due to circumstances beyond our control.
Still looking good though.

source

I can see where there might be a delay.

C=Holdings B.V. v. Asiarim Corporation et al

source

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What part of "looking good though" don't you understand??

Heh.
The line that indicates that even the court realizes how complicated this is:

This case is hereby designated for inclusion in the Pilot Project Regarding Case Management Techniques for Complex Civil Cases in the Southern District of New York

description of the pilot program

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From the cheap seats where I'm at, I don't see the above as the reason for the delay.  But as far as the above link, it is popcorn time at the Roman Coliseum.  Better find a seat in a hurry, looks like the lions have just been released.

Lawsuit filing posted

For those curious, CUSA status is mentioned in several places directly and once "implied", imo.

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*glances over document*

...uh, could someone remind me who's blaming whom for what, again? This stuff is hard enough to keep track of without being buried in legalese...

Short answer, hopefully in layman terms...

C=Holdings B.V. v. Asiarim Corporation et al

C=Holding B.V. is basically shown as Messrs (Jan) Hoogstrate and (Albertus Wilhelmus Maria) Ebben

Their names appear in the original Asiarim participation agreement and in the loan agreement: http://www.secinfo.com/d1b6kb.q8.1.htm
and in the lawsuit.

Asiarim Corporation is Ben Van Wijhe.

et al is a group of both known and unknown and/or unnamed people and corporations, indicated by the statement in the lawsut related to further discovery yet to be completed.

The people claiming they own the Commodore IP are accusing Asiarim of doing business (licensing the IP) they had no right to be doing. They claim harm has been done on a number of levels.

@Duce

What am I missing here that has the ardent supporters of C-USA so giddy?

Because CUSA previously stated they were renegotiating their terms. They are obviously dealing now with those claiming in the lawsuit to be the rightful owners of the IP. Since those folks are investors, they likely have little interest beyond what they can recover. Hence I'm sure the "giddy" refers to the feeling that CUSA can gain what they want in exchange for payment.

Nevertheless, it's a lawsuit and predicting the outcome is impossible. Truly a case of "when it's done". Heh.

@CritAnime

I want to know what they have bought that they feel will change the face of IT.

I posted one possibility here

Additional history is here

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If they are banking on yet another video codec, good luck.  Not sure why they would figure that would re-invent the world, if that is their ace in the hole.

I only said the reference was a possibility.
As described by Asiarim when they first signed the terms sheet (now cancelled):

This video compression technology based on wavelet algorithms is able to dramatically reduce any type of video content or live stream including those already pre-compressed with any CODEC without loss of video quality.

source

So, we're talking about bandwidth, imo. That's not like a codec you have to convince someone to use because it's better. Compression at this level would have more general appeal. As I understand it, this was intended to be in the marketplace long ago but held up in patent disputes.

Worldwide rights reported

Termination of negotiations with Asiarim

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I bought a fractal compression program back in the 1990s. If the size of the file to be compressed was divisible by certain values, and it was Tuesday and the moon was blue, it would work fine. Otherwise you were just as well off using zip. I can understand why FIF never took off.

Understood. Hence why I posted about horsepower in the other comment I made.

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No I would say your view that it could be the compression technology is valid. Given Barry's history with stuff like this. After all him and his brother found a way of breaking the HBO encryption back in the 80's. So it's possible that, if it is this tech, he will see it as a way of breaking back into the mainstream.

That's interesting.

I've looked at this from the start of the Yeahronimo vs Tulip war only. We've seen constant rebranding of off the shelf h/w, but nothing you could say would set them apart from the rest of the competitors in today's world.
Ergo, when I 1st read about EuroAmerican S.A. contacting Asiarim, this seemed different to me.

I must repeat, however:
(1)We don't know enough about EuroAmerican S.A. atm to prove either the technology, or frankly given the history of Commodore/Amiga and lawsuits...whether the patent is really solely in their hands. I'd like to know more.

(2)Since EuroAmerican S.A. cancelled the negotiations with Asiarim (for obvious reasons now that we've seen the lawsuit) we have no proof they would re-enter negotiations with any new parties associated with Commodore.

Barry posted 2 days ago:

we are dealing with an enormous amount of legal, technical and corporate factors that all have to come together at the right time and place.

Whether that applies only to the Commodore IP or relates also to what we are discussing re:wavelet technology is yet to be seen.

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