Amount of MorphOS copies sold

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That's your guess. Okay. Let's look at it another way. How active are the following forums:
http://www.amigans.net/
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/news/
http://aros-exec.org/

At the time of writing, 7 topics on amigans.net had posts from 'Today', 2 topics from morphzone.org had posts from '11-03-2012' (today's date), and 9 topics from aros-exec.org had posts from 'Today'. Your definition of active users may be different from mine, but seems unlikely to me that MorphOS users are that much quieter/less opinionated than OS4 and AROS users, seems much more likely to me that there are just fewer users who are actively involved with MorphOS. YMMV.

I'm lost here. What are you attempting to illustrate here?
OS4.x, for example has at least 3 major forum sites. Amigans.net surely does not carry the same traffic as AW.
AROS...AW is very lively with AROS postings, as opposed to AROS-Exec.
Morphzone...MorphOS does a lot of it's business in irc as opposed to on their forums. If anything, Amiga.org carries significant MorphOS discussion in general.
I just don't see how what you've said leads to any valid conclusions, sorry.

Oh wait...maybe that was your point.

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My point was that if takemehomegrandma's assumption about MorphOS having double the number of active users was correct, it would be reasonable to assume that you'd see more discussion surrounding it (not necessarily double, but something close to it). I'm aware there are cross-platform sites, but the vast majority of discussion about usage of MorphOS isn't found here, it's found on morphzone.org.

So the question becomes, if you do have double the users, why are there fewer discussions surrounding it? Seems to me we have a different definition about what 'active' users means.

I'm not dismissing what you have to say, but TMHG's last paragraph, imo, is entirely valid.
When you take into account mailing lists, public irc channels (where you -can- sense activity), private irc channels (where you can not unless you are invited), private irc conversations between 2 individuals...it all adds up.
Analyzing the true activity is also subjective as well. If a private channel is discussing sports vs discussing their operating system of choice, then is it "active"?. Heh.

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AROS has mailing lists, IRC channels, etc... as does OS4 (perhaps less so with the mailing lists). Forum activity represent a fraction of the total discussions, I agree with that, but they can still illuminate the general trend for activity. MorphOS has a nice advantage in that the cost to start using it is cheaper than OS4, which of course helps with impulse purchases, but how many of those impulse purchasers then use it regularly. That seems to be a valid question to make if we're talking about 'active' users rather than just 'users' in a looser sense.

I don't know why, but I can throw in another variable here. Perhaps we can call it website allegiance or website familiarity and the comfort that offers.

The OS4 team has been trying to move postings (for purposes of support) to the Hyperion specific product forums.
http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/

Why doesn't everyone who is a customer follow the prompts from devs and testers to do so?
Imo, many folks see AW and Amiga.org very much like home, and are hesitant to sever themselves from that pleasant sense they get when they log into "home".

All I'm getting at with this comment is that there are other factors like the above, which I believe lead people to choose where to be active.

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On that thread, someone brought up the idea of porting MorphOS to the X1000, but then it was discussed how this would be pointless, and would never happen anyways given the people involved in the project. It's way too expensive, to uncertain, too small volume, etc. There isn't anything viable about it. This is what was discussed, to sum it up.

That's funny. When I read it I see a well thought out discussion about future direction and the concerns expressed about that future.
Then again, I mostly focus my attention on what the development team has to say and not so much the extraneous comments.

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Was that supposed to *contradict* in some way what I just wrote above? I just commented on the X1000 part of it. Again: It started with a suggestion to port MorphOS to the X1000, the idea was rejected (hordes of reasons were given, in summary it would be even more of a dead-end than used Mac hardware), what makes most sense at this point is supporting Mac hardware. Then various aspects of various CPU architectures was discussed, pros/cons, etc. In fact, not a great deal of all the posts in that thread was even mentioning the X1000. How this can turn out to be "a 28 page thread slagging off the X1000" in someones head is beyond me. It must be someone having their "actively-searching-for-"Negativity"-to-get-upset-about" glasses on. Maybe your comment was really directed to HenryCase?

All I said was that in -my- reading I focus on the postive aspects of the thread...the discussion about the future.

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@thread

I fully understands how talking about user numbers in the hundreds (or below) is provoking to some, but the key term is *user* (not participator in the AW.net social club), and to quote myself from *a year ago* in this thread: "If the numbers seems disappointing to some people, I think they may have had an unrealistic view of the overall 'state of the nation'."

Fine. No how about you present a plan to correct that situation, now that we've completed the 11 page adventure to reach that obvious conclusion.

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@takemehomegrandma

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my question.
I gather your thrust about past failures is related to the inability to bring things to market in timely fashion, as opposed to a lack of ideas and/or skill to do the job.
If that is the case, I agree.
I would also have to interject that politics has sadly played a part in some of these projects not materializing.
If you ever sense the day we can eliminate politics from the the equation, just drop me a line. Heh.

Oh...and congrats for making the "sane" list on ann.lu. Heh.

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