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[TheDaddy]

How so? I mean, if OS4 actually supported Xena, Xorro, the second CPU core, and the more common onboard hardware - yeah maybe it would be somebody's idea of a "dream". As it is though it's just a somewhat faster CPU & RAM.

Unless you mean, it's a dream to make OS4 look even more ridiculous, if so then point taken.

You never know maybe one day...but this is not the point, even if it did all those things there will still be someone who'd come up with a test...
I stand by my idea that all this is done to laugh at Trevor/Hyperion because someone got beaten last time and feels very angry and bitter and now want revenge!

[TheDaddy]

@takemehomegrandma

When I thought you could not sink any lower...

[TheDaddy]

jorkany

>>They HAVE been hiding stuff. Not sure if you knew this but everyone who had an X1000 until last week was under NDA.

That means jack as IF they had something to hide it would have come out eventually so that is rubbish.

>>Except OS4 doesn't support dual core.

And it doesn't mean it won't happen...next?

>>Enjoy "The Power of X"

Will do if I can find the money to buy one.

Oh I use AmigaOS4 because it's fun and I consider it the natural successor of AmigaOS. To me a SAM or a X1000 is required to make use of it.

[TheDaddy]

@jorkany

>>Looks like things ARE starting to come out. This is the eventuality. Expect more as time goes on.

I love conspiracy theories

>>Of course! And monkeys might fly out of my ass.

I am starting to believe that...

[TheDaddy]

erm, still what about your x500 case proptotype which you have announced as almost ready, just need to wait another week, wait, it was.. last spring?? once you are taking yourself seriously, no wonder you take other announcements of coresponding value seriously as well.

It takes time and money. As you know from my bank manager, it, the money, quickly runs out that is why my pumped up SAM440ep goes under the hammer.

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=60650

[TheDaddy]

I take it you didn't like my "little" rant about the different approaches of OS4 and MorphOS teams, and the *results* of them, then? At least I'm glad you didn't find any errors, that the real situation is similar to what I pictured! Now off you go and have some fun with your $3,000 meatball dish!

Not really...comparing people dying of starvation to obscure operating systems is very lame even for you.

Just so you know I don't have a £1500 meatball dish but if I did it would be more interesting and exciting than a recycled, second hand, discarded old apple product.

[TheDaddy]

@TheDaddy


But you for first can't buy x1000 now (all those contacts-shmontacs, first-second bunches, preorders only via mails, etc), and for second its also will be second hand, discarded and old soon

Can't buy the X1000 because got sold out very quickly which tells me that the "contacts-shmontacs, first-second bunches, preorders only via mails" worked really well.

Surely it will be second hand one day but hopefully the OS4 community won't have to rely on stuff handed down the line by apple.

At the moment we are safe in the knowledge that we can buy brand new OS4 machines which are well supported by their manufacturers, see ACube for example.

[TheDaddy]

@Kas1e

>>I do not know to be honest. Imho skipping supporting of already good hw (yes its old and second handed, but still its prove to be good, g4 and g5 are fine cpus) a bit irrational.

This can only be answered by Hyp.


>>I mean that for sure, x1000 can be solds over the true amiga fanatics, but what next ?

We don't know, maybe there will not be a next. Maybe there'll be another motherboard, maybe ACube will release another type of motherboard.

>>I doubt that even if OS4 was available for Macs it'd sell more copies of OS4 otherwise Hyp would have done it. It's also what MOS does.

[TheDaddy]

>>How has the Amiga community *not* been dying of starvation during the last 15 years? And how is "the mad Generals" *not* to blame for their decisions? They are the ones that have been in charge, they are the responsible ones. "Mismanagement" is a much too nice word to use when describing Amiga Inc, Hyperion, et al.


What are you on about?


What you voluntarily try not to understand is that you can't run AmigaOS4 on the macs so all this is just useless chat. Now, if you find it entertaining posting "benchmarks" and throw mud around then carry on. Have fun.

You are happy with your mac and MOS others are happy with their overpriced, underpowered AmigaOS4 machines. There.

[TheDaddy]

>>What you are ignoring is that the people who could have delivered an OS4 version that runs on a Mac (remember "Moana"? that was four years ago) decided not to do so.

There must have been a reason behind that decision but I don't make a big deal out of it. They decided not to go that route this is ok with me. So today we are in a situation where we have OS4 for SAMs and X1000. And for someone interested in doing just that these machine will do the job.


>>And now the very same people are trying to sell you a $3000 computer that apparently doesn't do anything that a six year old $200 Mac can't do. And we never got any explanation for this decision. That's why a comparison with Mac hardware is not "useless chat", but food for thought.

Apart from the fact that is a strong possibility that the X1000 benchmarks are skewed but if you don't like OS4 and don't like the X1000 then the answer is simple: "Don't buy them!"

>>Some of us really want to use OS4 (it was my main OS for four years), but the only choices presented to us are pocket calculators that cost a fortune, or outdated desktop computers that cost three fortunes. I'm asking myself "why?" - and with every delay, with every benchmark, every time somebody mentions the price tag I look at Hyperion, the OS4 devs or A-EON for answers.


If you can't cope with the idea of using a calculator to run OS4 then use MOS on the mac they are more or less the same anyway.

I don't mind the idea of a netbook with OS4 on but I am really more into the powerful stuff. So I might get a 460ex or if I can stretch it a X1000 (no matter what the "benchmarks" say).
Why? Because I have fun with OS4 and want it to develop further.

>>At the same time MorphOS users are going to run their OS on cheap and readily available laptops produced by a respected company that run circles around those wannabe netbooks that will cost three times as much and will be produced by god knows who.

Then good luck to them. Get yourself MOS3.0 and a mac.

>>But yeah, our biggest problems are those evil guys publishing benchmarks.

My problem is not strictly the benchmarks as even on pcs I rarely look at them but how the system and the OS work together. My problem is the rabid "revenge" some have to quickly take to show that they were right all along and OS4.1.5 on the X1000 is not even finished.

Bah...

[TheDaddy]

That's just not true.
Someone leaked a beta port for the Mac Mini years ago.

Hyperion chooses not to support affordable platforms.

And that is not true. We all know about Moana but they decided not to follow that path, I respect their decision, it's their business and their decision so there is NO OS4 for macs.

[TheDaddy]

Yes, they seem to be very good at shooting themselves in the foot.


They have been now 2 years in posession of a settlement with Amiga Inc which allows them to port freely to whichever architecture or hardware they choose(specifically mentioned in the settlement, I know because I checked), yet they don't seem to be doing anything smart with it.

That is your point of view.

[TheDaddy]

x1k is for sure not a mind blowing succes as os4 hardcore fans try suggest.

Disagree. All sold out and people asking for more so...

[TheDaddy]

You agree that they decided not to port to affordable Mac hardware, but you don't think it's true that they choose not to port to affordable Mac hardware?

From what I remember they decided not to port OS4 but I could be wrong and it's ok with me as I am still a OS4 user and quite happy
 I remember watching the Moana video and thinking it was a good idea although it could have meant direct competition with MOS and also being stuck with second hand macs.

All in all they run the OS4 show...

[TheDaddy]

@chutjahr

>>So comparing the x1000 to PPC Macs is not "useless chat" - it's just that you don't care?

No. I said there are some people who are using these tests to discredit OS4 and the X1000 knowing perfectly well that the X1000 as a machine hasn't been around for long but they quickly jump on it to rip apart.

>>That's good for you, but why come into this thread and tell us to shut up?

No. See above.


>>Because I have fun with OS4 and want it to develop further.
Your idea of "letting OS4 develop further" is to tell potential customers to "go away and use MorphOS"?

Which potential customers? The same ones running the benchmarks? Please as if you'd be interested in buy "overpriced and underpowered hardware", so you are telling me that even if we find out that the X1000 is slightly slower than a mac you'd still be interested in buying it?


>>How many x1000 computers did they sell? 120? 140?

I don't know the exact number but they went within a matter of hours and more have been requested so they are not up there with mighty apple and its dodgy ways of producing hardware yet. If I were takemehomegranma instead of running weird and unnecessary parallels between Operating Systems and people starving I'd check the way those apple ipads, imac and ipods are manufactured and the conditions those workers and children have to endure so people can have a shiny iphone.

[TheDaddy]

Well, obviously, but that doesn't make their decisions good.

True. But I can not change that. I like OS4 and I need a machine to run it on. I now have a few choices. I could even say f*ck everything and stick with Win7 but I know I'd miss messing about with it.

You have watched my video of OS4.1.4 running on my SAM440ep. Well it's less powerful than a netbook but I put a quick SSD in and it transformed it. I enjoy pushing the little beast and last night I was running Quake 1 and Quake 2 at the same time, then I added Quake 3 and it started stuttering until it stopped. I would miss doing this kind of mad stuff.

Anyway I am off to finish part two of the video.

This is what really stops the Amiga from coming back...there is no unity.

Peace!