CommodoreUSA site updated

[TheDaddy]

I am confused...

I am all for people trying to do something for the Amiga community BUT I don't get the C64 revival...

Anyone can do what they are doing, and indeed it's been done a few times already, by taking an original C64 shell and putting all those bits in. A mini-itx board, slim DVD drive and off you go, you might even make a more powerful one.

Also I don't understand the OS part...it's pretty clear it's something (an emulator) running on top of Windows or Linux, again, anyone can do that.

I am lost

[TheDaddy]

You people forget one thing:

True Amigans are not the target market here, they are targeting ex-long-gone users and new ones who have never heard of Commodore or Amiga. It's like when Apple decided to leave the PPC and the purists got enraged. And what did Apple do? Apple stuck two fingers up in the air and carried on.

CUSA want to make money by using the name they claim they own (licensed), end of story.

To many it sounds like a not very honourable, devious scam, to others it sounds like any other business.

[TheDaddy]

@takemehomegrandma

>>Sorry, but that's utterly stupid!

Or is it? Is it stupid really? It looks like 90% of Commodore and Amiga people think this takes the piss. A C64 shell with a x86 board inside. Anyone can get a C64 off ebay and do the same in 60 minutes, with better specifications parts.

>>Of course the market is true old Amiga and Commodore fans, otherwise they wouldn't bother with the Commodore Amiga trademarks!

Wrong! The Commodore Amiga trademarks are there because they are an asset. Better to use the Commodore and Amiga names rather than a brand new one but as I said before many Amigans will not touch the stuff.


>>Of course they will want to make money on the trade marks. That's why they legally licensed them, isn't it? Nothing "devious scam" about it at all.

You have got the wrong end of the stick there, read again my post, I was actually defending CUSA.

>>OTOH there are companies that try to make money from similar trade marks that they more or less robbed through a devious legal process, to market an OS of which IP they also grabbed in a similar "decent" manner

I am not entering this argument which is off topic.

[TheDaddy]

@Belial6

>>I have seen your case for the MiniMig. No you can't.

What do you mean? Sorry I don't understand... "I have seen the case for the Minimig. No you can't"?!? What?

Real Amigans do exist, of course they do. They are on these fora, 90% of Amigans on this very forum have been bashing and making fun of CUSA why do you think?

[TheDaddy]

Damn how'd you have the time to ask all of the old Commodore staff what they throught?

I thought those were the only true Commodore and Amiga people =]

See all the previous threads about CUSA and you'll understand. Most people feel offended by CUSA.

[TheDaddy]

Very debatable, the Fractal case is a MUCH better design, go and read some reviews.

[TheDaddy]

@takemehomegrandma

Let's leave it then. You believe in your MorphOS and AROS (maybe an indication that you have spent little time on amigaworld.net or amigans.net) so I suggest you get out more.

Again you think I am a fully devoted AmigaOS 4/Hyperion/ACube/A-Eon/red or whatever the f*ck you paint them nowadays, you might be disappointed to know that I am not, I just support what I think is good for the Amiga and when they f*ck up, which they do at times, I get p*ssed at them as much as I do with CUSA, AROS etc..etc...

You are WELL confused my man. You say the world has moved along then you add "the only way to make money is to have this retro gimmick stuff" now explain...

I am not interested in CUSA making money that much, as I said IF they have the name they can slap it on toilet seats as far as I am concerned which would be a shame but it's their property.

>>You probably doesn't understand why; (erm...it's "You probably DON'T understand why")


>>your use of the words "real" and "true" in combination with "amigan" in your posts (as well as the assumption that normal people (the masses)

WRONG! I was talking about the long time Amigans who can appreciate the difference.

>>actually cares about CPU's beyond "available, cheap and powerful") shows all the signs of that much too long stay at "amigans.net" that usually leads to a misconceived perception of reality that "Amiga" would be something that it's not.

Oh my god! Full of misconception and prejudice. I spend more time here than on the other two sites that you clearly hate. I have posted more here than on amigans and have had two accounts here for years.

I suggest you stop trying to make me look like I hate CUSA/AROS/MOS because that is not the case.

I even got invited by CUSA to design a computer case for them, which is something I am still considering so just look how wrong you are.

My opinion (I could be wrong) is that CUSA's market is NOT real (long term) Amigans (AROS, OS4 users etc...) or let's say a small percentage of real (read long term-since 1981, Commodore users).

If they were smart they wouldn't concentrate their business plan on us (long time Commodore/Amiga users) but on the ones who used to be or young generations.

Thanks.

[TheDaddy]

@Franko

>>(PS:I've just nicked the Commodore logos from their site to use on my site as I thought they were quite well done and better than the one's I'd nicked from another site... )

Oh man that is genius!

Just had a look at your site and I am thinking of getting one of those C64 you have got there...when will they be available?

[TheDaddy]

@takemehomegrandma

>>I don't think the audience for this product won't care! They haven't been in contact with anything Commodore or Amiga for 1.5-2 decades, and they probably couldn't even start a program today let alone find their documents spread out in the file system if faced with that environment (what, there are folders that are "invisible"?!? Why?). They have grown used to something else. Something with a start menu, and a certain maturity level of applications.


Something we agree on...CUSA's market are those people. They will get little money from us here because:

1) They have been bashed to death on this site that they don't even post anymore
2) They know any of us can do what they are doing (apart from the sticker part)

They'll sell and they'll sell well to ex users and new generations.

[TheDaddy]

There are reviews and there are reviews. The Fractal case is probably a very good design, I don't dispute that, I don't care.

Point though, is that people are whining that one company is in the "slapping brand stickers on third party products", while still supporting another company that has been in the brand slapping business for over a decade. That's my point. I have nothing against basing a new product on existing components. Heck, it makes a lot of sense even.

Most reviews of the Fractal R2 and R3 are in the high 90% score and it's good value for £90, the case is sound proof and can accept cards in Crossfire configuration (I am talking ATI 5830s which are some of the longest cards out there). It's a good quality case.

[TheDaddy]

The McC64 is available now, just leave a stash of used tenners in a large brown envelope just under the large boulder behind the third park bench on the left (that's left if you enter the park via the west gate and right if you enter via the hole in the fence to the east...)

The Small Print...
These goods are sold as unseen
They may or may not work or even exist
All goods are fully guaranteed as working for at least one nanosecond after they are shipped
Any damage to Life, Limb or personal property is just tough luck
(although any pictures of such an event would be appreciated for my own personal amusement...)
Shipping time is approximately 700 years,
Please direct any queries about refunds or complaints to Care Of: The Bin...

I am in!
Can I have two? I have left two brown envelopes full of cash. The third one has gone to my local MP who can't claim anymore for his third property

[TheDaddy]

It will of course cost more than the motherboard would have cost you standalone, but I seriously doubt you will have to pay two envelopes full of cash for this one! If it's not one-dollar bills of course!

I mean, it's not like you would be buying into the X1000 pre-payment scheme, I mean, paying a huge pile of cash for a computer you don't even know the full specifications of that's still in some vague prototype phase, and on top of that you have to agree to renounce your rights to be treated as a real consumer! :lol:

You are funny...let the X1000 alone, why do you always bring that into play! Let it be, they must have really hurt you these people in the past.

Honestly I don't care any more, many times I thought of giving up on the Amiga altogether but like many other things you just can't. I have long spells where I am absent, work on my designs, hardly check what is going on then I get sucked back in LOL!

I say let them do what they want, there is space for everyone.

[TheDaddy]

What don't you understand.  Arn't you the "TheDaddy" that was selling cases for the MiniMig?  Those cases while looking just fine as a home project, simply did not look professional.  So, I am calling you out on your claim that you could turn a real C64 into just as good of a case in short order.

The people on this forum are basing CUSA because they find the idea of new equipment that might actually sell outside of the existing user base to be a threat to their 'elite' status.  The very fact that you declare there to be a group of 'real Amigans' confirms this.

LOL! Now onto personal attacks...My cases didn't look professional, OH MY GOD! Thank you very much.

I am not here to discuss my designs, as I am still waiting to see one of yours.
Ask the hundreds of people who bought the Minimig case what they think, the continuous emails I am receiving asking to produce more.

The Minimig case is an original design, developed with engineering precision. It was meant to cover the needs of many who bought the Minimig board and didn't want it to get damaged. It wasn't meant to sell millions or take on Apple.

You are talking about a single person working in his garage, investing his own money and time VS a company with an alleged $35 million budget so I say go and get lost!

You are talking out of your arsehole. If you listen carefully...you can hear it.

The CUSA C64 is just a C64 case with some cut outs for a DVD and the card reader. It looks very 1980s and it's not very original.

I could knock something like the C64 case in a week, probably less but I wouldn't be happy with it because it looks like a C64...see if you can grasp the idea or originality.

[TheDaddy]

@ Belia6

What a load of total cobblers, I don't consider because I am an Amiga user of 25 years that this somehow make me an elitist, it's dunderheeds like you who bandy such claptrap about that are the one who think they are elitist. Why don't you take you silly views and stick them up yer bahooky... what a total numptie... :lol:

@ Kesa
Where you been hiding, I was starting to think the floating turd had got you...

LOL! Run for president man, or prime minister...

[TheDaddy]

As english is not my first language I do use the grammar wrongly so sometimes my posts don't get through as well as I would like them to be, even so, it's not an excuse and I just want to clarify that I don't hate CUSA, as I said before, I even got contacted by CUSA to make a case for them or better include my design in their range, something I am still considering so how would I go on to hate them?

See they even considered someone like me who makes unprofessional looking designs like the Minimig case