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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« on: February 23, 2005, 08:28:15 AM »
Thanks!

Hi,

I am TheDaddy! LOL!...I mean...I am the guy who "modded" the Amiga and made the website www.loriano.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk to share the project with other Amiga users.

I asked Toaks (friend of mine and Amiga Guru :) to post the link to the website for me because I couldn't post from the darn pc (both Mozilla and IExplorer suck big fat ones) so I have now re-assembled miggy (the one on the website) to post from IBrowse.

I'd like to thank for the comments left and underline a couple of things...

1) If you think the project stinks let me know because it's not Toaks' fault :) he only posted the link as a favour :)

2) As I wrote on the last page, this is a project that could go on forever, modifying, spraying, tidying up cables and so on but the A1200 has been sold so I had to take photos and post before being collected and with an A1 on my mind there is no more time to waste ;)

3) The drives are beige (not white) and left that colour on purpose so to match the Amiga badge and floppy disk drive, beige doesn't clash with copper and the silver controller fan would have been the only one in a different colour, this way beige is matched and silver picks up the silver from the Amiga name, controller and switches.

4) As I said the webpage was created very quickly to speed things up...sorry for the unfinished feel to it...

Thanks again...:)
 

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2005, 04:19:08 PM »
@jope

Sorry but I can't see a single cool case there I am afraid, they more like some kind of monstruosity from the pc modding scene... LOL!

>Amiga at the stage of 1997 pc?

I really hope we don't reach the stage when we put our beloved Amigas in vacuum cleaners like many pc users do!

>A little more than some paint and windows?

Apart from the fact that it has taken a long time to do "some paint and window, cut out the panels, cut out the Amiga badge and so on" but we are talking of an "original" Amiga case here (as far as I am concerned even if the Power Tower is a pc case, it's still been converted to host an Amiga properly) modified and as I have said on the website you could go on forever for example spraying the chassis itself and so on...

>Amigans should set their standards high?

If it's to end up like those monsters on the websites you posted then I am not in :)

>Tidy up the cables, paint the visible front panels...

Again as explained in the message above and on the website the drives were left beige on purpose and there was no time left to do anything else...

>being creative with the cables?

Yeah you could buy rounded meshed cables and so on and go totally nuts but you will never end. The difference here is that a bit of manual work has gone into it while other "modders" simply buy the parts and put them together.

>There's loads of great ideas to be applied in the case modding galleries all over the web.

There was no intention to make the Amiga 1200 super mega modded, just different and still recognizable as an Amiga.

@whabang

>Unattractive...

Question of taste...would have been better sprayed in black, silver, blue, red? How many cases there are in those colours? :)
 

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2005, 04:22:43 PM »
@Haymiggan

Hi mate! :)

Thanks I love your case too man! And I haven't forgotten I will send you the simms as soon as I can...(taking note!)

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2005, 09:42:50 PM »
@Jope

>So you did take offence.

Of course I did! Read your comments and see if they are not offensive. "Just a bit of paint and some plastic","I am awaiting to see a really AMAZING Amiga case"

What do you mean by that anyway, someone to produce a custom one for your royal pleasure to slag off or a pc case with lights and "rounded cables" in it like all the ones from the "pc scene"  You are passing judgment!

And what is this crap "Please don't take it as an insult but as an encouragement to do BETTER next time!" WTF! Who are you to judge? Some sort of industrial design guru? The way you speak is totally pc devotee like I am afraid and it reflects in the way you talk about the "pc modding scene" and how behind the Amiga is.

Do you own an Amiga by the way? ;)

Excuse me but it's a project and it could carry on forever but for time reasons couldn't be done. You are spitting on somebody's effort and creativity...show us something you can do/have done with your hands, without just assembling pc stuff!


>I'm still standing by my points. How many galleries did you really look at? Only the last one with the extreme cases?

You can stand by your points, your choice, and I visited all the galleries and didn't like a single one, so you are assuming that I only looked at one gallery.


>it's a bit pointless to make a window case if you leave the innards looking like a gutted animal.. More attention to detail and the end results are so much more pleasing to the eye.

Please! Again you are patronizing and offensive. Why is it pointless to leave the innards looking like that, on the other hand it shows from all the angles the beauty of an Amiga1200 and its incredible expandibility. Also if you don't mind me asking did you read the website's notes and my recent post? Just because the cables aren't tied it doesn't mean the case isn't interesting, there are some lovely architectures, like the Lloyds building that have expressed and exposed structure but it is still an interesting piece of work (not that I am comparing my Amiga to the Lloyds building) ;). It might not be finished but you will rarely find a designer happy and satisfied with his work, there is always something that can be done to improve.

I can understand other people when they say "I don't like the colour" and that's fine. It's a matter of taste, but slagging off somebody's hard work is lame.

>The power tower looks exactly like a PC case - I used to own an AT case that looks like that in my first PC from back in 1995. Thus I don't really see your point in there being amiganess in it. :-)

Yeeeah! It's a pc case converted by Elbox/Power Computing. Ever heard of them? "It looks like your case from 1995" so what? It's probably the same one and?? Appreciate the fact that like Haymiggan said it's an admirable the effort to do something with it and make it look different.

>But by all means, enjoy what you accomplished. at least you've left your mark on it.

I am enjoying it, more than 1000 hits in a day, thanks.

@that_punk_guy

Again if you read the last page on the website and the previous post it says that there is a reason behind the beige plates and again the colour? Many like it and makes it unique, matter of taste again.
 

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2005, 07:05:43 AM »
@restore2003

Thanks :)
 

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2005, 08:57:56 AM »
@the_leander

>I must admit that its an impressive bit of modding,

Thanks very kind :)

>but there are a few things that I personally didn't like, the loose wires hanging around the case ruined for me what could have turned a truly exceptional case mod (and it is) into a true work of art, remember, cable ties and empty drive bays are your friends

True, but with no time on my hands it had to be published like that. As I said the mod could have been carried on and on and on but an offer was made on the whole system so it had to be stopped. Yes I know that tied up cables give better airflow and all that but I didn' even have time to screw the panels in! LOL!

I had plans to make it an extreme Amiga and nearly purchased a water cooling kit. Having overclocked the PPC from 240 to 266 I was going to go for 300Mhz but then the cost of the kit and the risk of frying the chip advised me to be more sensible ;)


>The other was more a technical thing, specifically the fan arrangement, would it not have been better to have the fan at the bottom drawing air in and letting the PSU pull it out?

The PSU has a 120mm fan at its bottom sucking air from the case and one letting it out from the back so no massive need to add more fans, originally the case fan (3 colour led) was supposed to cool down just the Blizzard but then I placed a fan directly onto the PPC cooler so I reversed the case fan to suck air out. Technically speaking you should really have one fan at the bottom front of case to get fresh air in and one at the top left to let hot air out...but we are going into to much detail, and although the Amiga in this configuration gets quite hot (darn Voodoo3!) it doesn't need to be cooled like a P4 3.2 Ghz :)

>But again, a truly superb mod, worthy of Ars Technica if I'm honest.

Thank you...


>I am always impressed when people go to such lengths to create a unique system, and this is no exception, you have done extremely well with this and don't let anyone say otherwise!

Too kind :)

>Anyway, whats wrong with vacume cleaner systems, I actually liked the Walker case

Nothing wrong with it, one thing is designing a case "inspired" by a toaster/vacuum cleaner, another thing is sticking a motherboard into a real vacuum cleaner! I like the Walker too :)
 

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2005, 10:36:20 AM »
@jope

>Yeah.. Seriously, having seen some truly fantastic cases, I find it hard to cheer for something that's been done lots of times before with varying success.

This was in no way shape or form an attempt ot rival and compete with the pc modding scene, just an AMIGA exercise. When I showed to friends and people at work they were amazed of the results, from basic A1200 to modded up to date Amiga. Lots of them didn't even know the Amiga was still around!

I am not asking you to cheer for my case nor I am begging for your approval but your comments were the only ones I and somebody else found offensive and rude, coming from someone who has never attempted doing something similar.

>Look, the reason I have this opinion is, that you are modding in essence what is a PC case that has a special mounting bracket for the Amiga motherboard + a different back panel.

Ok so what? Does it make it less interesting?

>Thus the mods you do are going to be judged by the same standards that people judge mods done to ATX standard cases - the base case looks pretty much the same from the outside, but you can create interesting results when you apply a bit of creativity.

Please! There is no intention to compete with pc modders. I couldn't give a flying monkey about the pc scene and I don't want to be judged by any pc modding people. It was as it explains clearly on the first page, a way to show what you can do with a 1994 motherboard and in this case the Amiga1200. The pc modding scene is backed by multimillion dollar industry, you can buy lots of things that fit properly, the A1200 itself is already a pain in the arse to stick into a Power Tower imagine in an ATX case. No comparison and no intention to compete with no one. If even one person like it then I am happy, although, as we know numbers don't always mean it's right otherwise we could say Windows is installed on all the pcs on this planet so it's the best OS!

>Now you're just taking it sooo verryyy personally. If you read my first post about this, I still feel it was written in a pretty encouraging tone.

LOL! There are ways and ways to encourage people. You Assumed things, criticized, slagged it off as a bit of paint and clear panels.

>Come on, take some constructive improvement ideas like a man.

Err. excuse me, see the above comments, I wasn't going to compete with pc modding cases full stop.

>No, it shows a tangle of wires.

You again minimize my work and put it down. It's not a tangle of wires, there was no more time to finish it off, otherwise I would carried on with watercooling and all that crap but I am not a pc modder. Anyway it's a tangle of wires and pc mods are a tied tangle of wires.

>Sorry, but as you looked through those galleries, you're bound to have seen lots of cases that were similar to yours. Hence it wasn't really anything that special in the case modding universe.

ROFL! So fine. Were you expecting fireworks and dancing monkeys coming out of it! It's a transformed Amiga, I would never even imagine to try and compete with a pc modder for lots or reasons, one being I have a job like many others and I am not just a kiddie who spends all of his time on a pc!

>You're missing the point. The point here was to emphasize that it is a PC case -> mods done to PC cases are usually judged by the standards set by other people's PC case mods.


Again you are missing the point by a mile! I don't want to be judged by any pc person who thinks it's another windowed case. BUT if they knew it was an Amiga then things would be considered differently.

>Yeps. How many of those hits contacted you to say it was an exceptional design? This thread isn't very long, you know, only a few dozen people out of 1000 here.

Quite a few actually but that's not the point, I wasn't looking for people to say "hey man you are good!" Who cares, I just wanted to show what you can do with an Amiga and it was never on my mind to make it better than a pc.

>The reason I pointed people to what's happening in the PC world is, that all the Amiga case mods I've seen posted to these forums so far (and this means the ones that are in basic modified PC towers before the user started their own modding affair) look quite similar to yours - paint, window, tangly wires, a few fans.

Good. We like them like that, paint, window, tangly wires, especially tangly wires we love them and they are VERY different from pc modded case with their windows..paint and tidy wires...:)

>You guys can surely do more, I enjoy watching people do great things. However I am NOT one to just throw a generic "great job" remark if I think the creator could outdo himself with a few outside ideas..

Again, patronizing comment and of course we can always do better, but time, money and other things can't always allow it.

>The bottom line is, I only tried to give you and the rest of the Amiga case modders a few hints on where to proceed from these beginnings (ie. what was done outside the Amiga world a long time ago). If someone who has seen lots of modded PC cases surfs to your site, they might not think "wow, great job" but they could be thinking "oh, seen those, next".

Yeeah if it were a pc, obviously you would think "seen that", but if they knew it was an Amiga (and they knew what an Amiga is) they would judge it differently.


 

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2005, 10:43:18 AM »
@jope

>Sorry for offending all of you, I hope I have reasonably opened my brain in the above long posting and you might now see why I think like I do..

No prob.

>Slagging off is something I don't do.. If I were to insult the case, I'd have said straight out along the lines that "I hate your case, what a load of crap". However I didn't say that or think that (however you'll probably never believe me).

I believe you but it still made me feel uncomfortable hearing " a bit of paint and tangle of wires" What if I told that about you work?

>I have nothing more to add to this thread - I think I've said all I have on my mind about the subject and made my points quite clear.

Coll. Finished here too :)

>I think the problem here is also a huge 1000km cultural gap. I'm from Finland, TheDaddy is from the UK. Over here we often say things straight and frank

Here too and again you are assuming I am from the U.K. so I must be british and my way of thinking british too...I could be Indian, Bangladeshi, Italian, French, German, Swedish and living here that doesn't mean I think like all the british...

>(however we try to be polite about it, I too tried but failed miserably :-). Over in the UK you're usually polite towards each other even if you really think otherwise..

Generalization...

I always shake hands even if the are sprayed with a bit of paint ;)

Let's end it here... :)
 

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2005, 03:47:58 PM »
@doctorq

>Even if it is an Amiga, people have seen things like the tower that is up for discussion before.

I don't agree. Most of the people I showed the case to, friends, collegues and so on, at least those who knew what an Amiga looks like were surprized (nicely) to see the transformation. One collegue said:"NO {bleep}! that aint an Amiga!" so I started explaining what I did and how and then directed him to the website.

I agree that people have seen it before but that doesn't mean you can't have another shot at it and share the fruit of your work with other "supposedly" Amigans...

>Most Amigas is towered these days, and most of them in customized PC towers. Does it make it a case mod???

>So what? The fact that most Amigas are towered these days doesn't stop you from modding which I think comes from Modifying and from what I know even if you change just the colour of the switches or the front panel you have modded. It might not be EXTREME pc-like modding but you have still made an effort to make it look different hence it's modded.

>Not that it matters anyways.

It does in a sense as this is stopping people from posting stuff that might be interesting to other people. So in a way you are telling everyone NOT to bother if they have done something similar to their Amigas and consequently helping to put some "external" attention to the Amiga name as I have done through my website, only  because..."it's been done, oh I have already seen that!"

It is also good to share ideas with others and by the way IKIR if you can read this I have received your email and thanks for the compliments. I can't manage to reply through IBrowse so if you can contact Toaks he can give you my email.

Thanks :)
 

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2005, 08:54:00 PM »
@doctorq

>A lot of people has said that about my towers as well, it doesn't make me feel special.

???Hey??? We are not looking to make us feel special, what are you talking about??

> I asked if putting an Amiga in a customized PC tower could be seen as a mod. If it is a mod or not, THAT is what didn't matter anyways....

I think it is a modded case, yes. First because we have transplanted the Amiga, second the original case was cut into pieces to get to the Amiga badge and third windows, leds, paint fan controller does make a case modded because it has been MODIFIED!

>Hey by definition anything modified is different from the original, a car with a tuned engine and some skirts and neons is a MODIFIED car I am afraid.
 

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Re: The Daddy's Amiga
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2005, 07:29:31 AM »
Just a quickie...I have noticed this case on one of jope's links while re-browsing last night...

http://metku.net/modgallery/mods.php?area=99

The 7th from the top.

and I am pretty sure I have seen something similar, not as finished,  somewhere else...but I don't remember where...

;)

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