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Re: And we wonder why the US are fascinated with guns
« on: July 10, 2007, 08:32:09 PM »
1 caveat. this is an idiot not the representative of all americans. i shot my first gun at 12 yrs old it was a 22 rifle(very little kick)and never fired another till i was in the military and was told i had to fire one(despite being a medical records clerk.)

your title insinuates this is normal for us. i am merely stating this is not normal in the us.
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Re: And we wonder why the US are fascinated with guns
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2007, 05:17:01 PM »
i have to agree with kthunder. here in the us guns are considered tools for hunting food and protection(snakes,bears,wolves etc.) now i would be remiss in mentioning handguns are considered tools for protection. in big cities the fear of guns is rampant so the pressure to own one to protect agains someone with one is high.

these people (the nra)are commonly associated with being the gun nuts here in the us. in reality tho they are only a political group preventing the government regulating away our rights to own and use guns.

i will never say there are no gun nuts in the us just not as many as people think there are.
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Re: And we wonder why the US are fascinated with guns
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2007, 11:42:58 PM »
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i have to agree with kthunder. here in the us guns are considered tools for hunting food...


Isn't that what farms and slaughter houses are for?


if you live nearby on that will get you by but if all heck breaks loose and money becomes worthless then what will you do.

feed a man a fish and he will eat but a day, teach him to fish and he will live forever.

but if you don't live near water -- hunt:)

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...and protection(snakes,bears,wolves etc.)...


Hmmm, just like you, animals like to defend their territory too. Why should an animal die just because you selfishly invaded its territory?


so you say i should die if one of them is in my front yard or even inside my house?

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...now i would be remiss in mentioning handguns are considered tools for protection. in big cities the fear of guns is rampant so the pressure to own one to protect agains someone with one is high.


IMO, that argument is a bit of a tail chaser. The fear of guns leads to more guns which leads to more fear which again leads to more guns, you see where I'm going with this?

 
this is true but then again there are so many things that fit in this category
eg housing sales drop so businesses panic and fire workers fearing a recession leaving people without jobs which hurts the economy causing more to be fired thereby causing a recession.

another is. if handguns were outlawed only the criminals will have guns. so to defend myself you will need to get a gun making yourself a criminal. this continues until everyone is a criminal.

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these people (the nra)are commonly associated with being the gun nuts here in the us. in reality tho they are only a political group preventing the government regulating away our rights to own and use guns.


What about the rights of people who end up on the wrong side of a gun? Who's there campaigning for them?


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i will never say there are no gun nuts in the us just not as many as people think there are.


Sorry, but even one gun nut is too many.


while i agree with that. this is not reality to think that we can eliminate gun nuts. however we can promote a healthy viewpoint of guns and hope the message sinks in.
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Re: And we wonder why the US are fascinated with guns
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2007, 02:44:48 PM »
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My suggestion is to invest in gold, that will always be worth something, however, humans have been hunting long before the advent of guns, guns just make it easier. If money really does become worthless as in your scenario, how do you expect to pay for ammo, powder etc.?


first off who says you wait till then to buy pellets and gunpowder? they store well.
second off this wouldn't be a permanant solution instead consider this a stopgap only until society re-invents itself.
thirdly bullets and gunpowder don't go bad and ship well so this will be preferable to people trying to store uncured meat without refrigerators(which you couldn't pay for electricity for.)


btw GOLD? i have serious doubts that this would be a worthwhile investment. who says that if something happens like this that people would be willing to give you anything for metal with no good uses beyong jewelry and electronics. just ecause it is hard to come by don't make it valuable. society makes it valuable.


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Plenty more to kill you downunder and we seem to get by without guns. If something unwanted wanders into our homes, you simply pick up the phone and call for the local ranger to come and relocate it. Here's something to think about, if you actually have a problem with animals invading your home, it means you're living too close to their natural environment to begin with.


maybe but does that mean i have no right to protect my property? i think not. i don't own a gun(i am in town) but if i moved back to the country where i grew up i will have at least a .410 shotgun on hand. sometimes just the loud noise is enough to make an animal go away. but in case that don't work you may have to get lethal on them. (never shoot to injure. there is nothing more dangerous than an injured animal.



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If someone is pointing a gun at you and you in turn point a gun at them, the chance of a shot actually being fired raises to near 100%, one on one leaves you with a 50/50 chance on being shot yourself, whats the point?


wrong, when a person knows you have a firearm they will think twice before even entering that situation. for those events that do happen you were going to get shot anyway.

in other words let's say some people want to rob you. they have guns if they know you have one too they will ask themselves if it is worthwhile and may decide to move on to easier targets. the few that decide to rob you anyway either don't care about their own life or are gambling you won't use your firearm. in those cases you are more likely to be shot anyway. you won't ever see the people who turned and walked away in your statistics so how can you say there would be no impact?

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No guns means theres nothing for them to get nuts over


yea sure. next it will be crossbow nuts, bow nuts, sword nuts, knife nuts, bat nuts, boomerang nuts, steel rod nuts, pipe nuts, etc etc etc. you see where i am going?

if someone intends to cause injury or death to another person no amout of regulation will stop it.

eliminating guns is not the answer, but people think it is. this is akin to going to the doctor with pneumonia and the doctor gives you cough syrup for your coughing. it might take care of that symptom but does nothing about the root cause. for this problem to be solved the root cause must be identified and addressed.
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