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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« on: June 19, 2007, 11:20:45 AM »
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How about the lies about how impossible it would be to port OS4 to Macs?   Hyperion does have creditibility issues all their own.

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???????

i don't remember any such statement. all i remember was the friedens telling us THEY would not port it without proper documentation.
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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2007, 11:27:01 AM »
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Which of the following has Hyperion claimed about the lineage of OS4?
A) "It is based on the original AOS sources, and so it is the true Amiga!"

B) "The original AOS sources were not very useful, so we rewrite the whole thing."

C) "We never gained access to the original AOS sources."

D) All of the above.

Correct answer: D


A this was stated by hyperion management IIRC. and since when does management have a complete picture of anything.

B this was stated by the programmers (one of the friedens iirc)

C how does this statement affect the other two? they aquired the sources themselves so this does not affect the other statements.

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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2007, 12:36:37 PM »
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jkirk wrote:
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Which of the following has Hyperion claimed about the lineage of OS4?
A) "It is based on the original AOS sources, and so it is the true Amiga!"

B) "The original AOS sources were not very useful, so we rewrite the whole thing."

C) "We never gained access to the original AOS sources."

D) All of the above.

Correct answer: D


A this was stated by hyperion management IIRC. and since when does management have a complete picture of anything.

B this was stated by the programmers (one of the friedens iirc)

C how does this statement affect the other two? they aquired the sources themselves so this does not affect the other statements.



A was stated by both of the genetic clones on more than one occasion.


so you are saying the friedens are the liars? and not hyperion. :-)
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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2007, 01:05:39 PM »
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Well when the court case finishes we will find out I guess.


well it really don't matter to this case it just annoys me when everyone jumps to conclusions about ainc or hyperion. imo this case has more to do with miscommunication and misunderstandings than anything tangible. now both sides are pissed and going for everything(or so it seems). of course that will all come out in the trial as well.



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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2007, 02:44:05 PM »
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I think it has more to with with both sides being greedy and manipulative and trying to scam each other from the start.


it's possible i just don't see it that way.so far in the documents and statements i see bias and i see misunderstandings but i have not seen blatent malice. maybe by the end of the case this will become clear but i refuse to jump to that conclusion. i prefer innocent until proven guilty whenever possible.
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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2007, 05:07:42 PM »
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I base my assumption not just on the court documents but on the documented behaviour of Bill McEwen, Barry Moss, and Ben Hermans.


online behavior is not always the same as actual behavior. but yes it does throw out strong hints to the character of the person.

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None of whom I would trust as far as I could throw them.


there ain't very many people i would trust that much ;)

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Take a look at the ann.lu archives for some of Mr Hermans classics.


maybe i will one day but i am trying to avoid preconcieved notions that reading it would create.

you might be right about this. i am just trying to stay as neutral as i can on the issues brought up in court.
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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2007, 10:50:31 AM »
actually this was brought up on amigaworld. one of the developers kicked in and said that the programming was a pain in the arse.

see here
see av's comments
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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2007, 06:54:55 PM »
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From claiming that without docs it couldn't be done,


i believe this has been mentioned before but the friedens never said it couldn't be done. what they did say is it wouldn't be done by them if they didn't have docs.

unless i missed something.
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