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Offline ferrellsl

Re: Is Vampyre not completely compatible?
« on: November 07, 2017, 02:05:49 AM »
Quote from: BozzerBigD;832671
@Soviet

So that gives you the right to pirate the software how? You're a moron if you think that OS3.9 is suddenly freeware because H&P have no longer got a licence to develop and distribute further copies :angry: You can still buy new copies online, so how about you support the Amiga dealers and buy one?



It's a two-way street.  Why should anyone buy an OS or ROMs from dealers who are merely doing what end-users have been doing for years?  Which is copying the CDs/Disks and ROMs.  There hasn't been a clear owner of OS3.1 or 3.9 in years so why should any end-user pay fees to Hyperion or anyone else who is hocking a classic Amiga OS unless that dealer has a license to distribute or offers some service after the sale?  

Let's be real here.  The Amiga for all intents and purposes is dead.  The OS is dead as well.   Anyone still using a classic Amiga is a hobbyist and should not be under constant attack for obtaining whatever variant of Amiga OS 1 thru 3.9 that they choose from whatever source.

It's funny that I don't see the copyright Nazis coming out of the woodwork with my other hobby systems, like my Timex-Sinclair ZX-81, or my C-64.  No one gets attacked for modding or making those operating systems available on the net for free, but here, this seems to be a haven for arm-chair attorneys who seem to get their rocks off by preaching to anyone who doesn't buy their copy of AmigaOS from a "dealer".  Buying a copy of OS3.x from a dealer at this point in time is simply ridiculous.  And attacking people for downloading and/or modding a dead OS is simply ludicrous.  Only Amiga makes it possible....
 

Offline ferrellsl

Re: Is Vampyre not completely compatible?
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2017, 07:44:41 AM »
Quote from: gregthecanuck;832681
Ferrellsl -

If it is true that the H&P license has expired, that the developers are no longer being paid for their contributions and that the dealer is just making potentially illegal copies of OS3.9 then yes, it's dead. Like the parrot.

In that case nobody should be buying OS3.9 as in fact they could be supporting piracy. ;-)

From my point of view, I want to put the money in the hands of someone actually updating the operating system and supporting it going forward. If OS3.9 is not being supported, then it is dead. I wouldn't spend a penny on it.

*IF* Hyperion releases a new version with updates and fixes, and carries on supporting it then that deserves consideration. The developers are some of the "good guys" and have a clue what they are doing. Let's wait and see how it goes.



If Hyperion releases a version that supports the Vampire's new features then I'd certainly consider it, but Hyperion only showed interest in OS3 of late and that's only because of the Vampire's popularity.  To date, the only thing they've offered are Kickstart ROMs that they've burned after having replaced Commodore's trademarks with their own and freely available patches that anyone with Google and 15 minutes of spare time can put together.  And honestly, what has Hyperion done for OS4 since it's inception in 2003?  It's still stalled in 2003 and has feature parity with Windows 98.  So why should anyone believe they now have the resources and the resolve to improve an OS that they've historically discounted as not worth the effort?

And besides, the Apollo Team has been doing a bang up job on their own.  I would imagine that once the Vampire cores are no longer in beta that they'll focus more on the OS, whether it's patching OS3.x or improving AROS.  Based on past history, it'll be a long time, if ever, before we see Hyperion offering any significant OS upgrades for classic Amigas...some might say the same goes for OS4.
 

Offline ferrellsl

Re: Is Vampyre not completely compatible?
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2017, 08:01:32 AM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;832682


No, not at all. It remains piracy no matter what. If you want to support the Os, and you do not yet have a license for the system, you'd better buy one. How on earth can you expect that anyone should support the system without charge just to please the pirates.



Wow, now that's a ridiculous statement.  Thank goodness you aren't the definitive expert on all things regarding software and piracy.  All my Timex-Sinclair and Commodore 64 buddies are scoffing at you now.  I have no expectation of support for OS3.x in any form.  It's a dead OS for a dead system.  And besides, what support is really needed that hasn't already been provided over the years by programmers working pro-bono? As for the Vampire, the Apollo Team has been doing a great job and AROS gets better all the time.  They don't need your nor Hyperion's support.  

And all this talk of pirates is ludicrous.  You have to own an existing Amiga to even use a Vampire and I'd wager that 99% of the Vampire users out there already own copies of OS3.x that they purchased legally years ago with their Amigas or in the years after they bought their Amigas.  So now you expect them to buy additional copies just because they've added an accelerator card?  And let me guess, you'll want them to buy their additional copies from Hyperion?

No thanks.  I already own 2 copies of OS3.1 and a copy of 3.9 as well.  I'll continue using them and updating/patching as needed until AROS gets a few more touch-ups.
 

Offline ferrellsl

Re: Is Vampyre not completely compatible?
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2017, 04:58:59 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;832692
Once again: I have no problem with people using their legal copies on whatever hardware they own. But I do have problems if people like you point potential customers of Os software to a pirated copy instead of just politely asking them to buy the product they want to own.

It is really that simple: If you want to use it, buy it.


Where in any of my posts have I directed people to pirate software?  If they already own OS3.x then I see no problem with them modifying it however they see fit or having someone they trust modify it for them for use on a Vampire.  If the person doing the modifications agrees to do it at no cost, then so much the better.  What I get tired of are all the folks here who believe that the Amiga will somehow rise from the ashes to relive its glory days and who attempt to capitalize financially on this flawed vision.  The Amiga is a dead platform and the OS is also dead no matter what you think of yourself and what patches/updates you've contributed in the past.  The Vampire is a hobby just like the retro-console scene.  The classic Amiga has been recreated in the form of an FPGA, just like the retro-NES, retro-Genesis, et al....The Vampire only appeals to Amiga owners who want to replace or enhance their aging and/or dead hardware with a new system that has some enhancements over the original Amiga just like the retro-consoles....no more, no less.  There can't be more than a couple thousand classic Amiga users across the planet and even fewer planning to buy Vampires....and of these there are probably less than 100 who plan to buy copies of OS3.x because most Amiga enthusiasts already own legal copies.  As I said earlier, the Vampire is an accelerator card and you have to already own an Amiga to even use it, so now you expect  those users to buy another copy of OS 3.x from Hyperion simply because they've purchased an FPGA based accelerator?

You clowns are fighting over the Amiga's dead carcass like a bunch of decrepit old vultures who don't realize that the carcass has already been picked clean...it's pitiful.  No one, including you nor Hyperion, is going to get rich off the Vampire, classic Amigas, nor updates to OS3.x. Hobbyists and enthusiasts working in their spare time will continue to be the driving force behind what's left of classic Amigas and the Vampire, not Hyperion nor people who are looking to get rich from any spin-off markets related to the Vampire.  Since Commodore's failure, people better than you have tried and failed to monetize what's left of the Amiga from the ashes, so get over yourself and the fact that the Amiga died in 1992 and isn't returning....that ship has long since sailed.
 

Offline ferrellsl

Re: Is Vampyre not completely compatible?
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2017, 05:02:48 PM »
Quote from: BozzerBigD;832707
This looks like an official product to me!



Dealers that still have stock are not commiting piracy so that doesn't get you off the hook. Would you pirate Windows 98 or XP just because Microsoft doesn't issue security updates anymore? As I've said before people with this ridiculous take on piracy were partly responsible for the Amiga dying. It didn't become a 'proper' enduring computer platform because people like you expected the games for free!!!! They were £29.99 when console games were £59.99. Chavvy thieving Amiga gamers couldn't even pay half price to the developers and publishers that gave us those classics. Some even wrote out the Alien Breed 3D / Worms code sheets by hand to beat the copy protection. Others wrote out the weird hieroglyphs from The Settlers manual. I've visited 'friends' who had these copies. It wasn't right then and it isn't right now! If sourcing OS 3.9 was a problem I'd understand BUT YOU CAN BUY IT TODAY!!!


... and also if you can afford a Vampire you can afford an AmigaOS CD, it's not expensive and you're supporting Vesalia even if H&P and Amiga Inc and the contributors have long since collected their last pay cheque.



Yes, we are in violent agreement that legal copies of OS3.x can still be purchased from dealers.  But there ARE unscrupulous dealers who are copying and selling pirated CDs and ROMs.....you don't have to look far....
 

Offline ferrellsl

Re: Is Vampyre not completely compatible?
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2017, 05:31:03 PM »
Quote from: BozzerBigD;832712
@ferrellsl

... and buying one of those unscrupulous copies would be JUST AS illegal as downloading ApolloOS when you don't own the original AmigaOS version it's based on and using at its core! We are not talking about abandonware here. AmigaOS is still developed by Hyperion and H&P although not in the Amiga market any more are still in existence. You can't just steal because you think you can get away with it (although if you have the original disks / CD then fine) and then encourage others to do the same on a public forum (without stipulating they need a software licence) and think that's ok!



This is where I disagree with you.  If I already own OS3.x then it isn't piracy to download a copy off the net. This varies by country so you should be careful who you call a pirate or a thief because this is legal in quite a few places....

As for H&P still developing  OS3.x, you are mistaken.  They stopped long ago.  And saying that Hyperion is currently developing OS3.x for the classic market is a sick joke.  Taking Kickstart ROM images and removing the Commodore trademark and adding the Hyperion trademark is not development.  It's plagiarism.  And collecting a bunch of freely available patches and updates from the net and adding them to the OS3.x disks and packaging it for sale isn't development either.
 

Offline ferrellsl

Re: Is Vampyre not completely compatible?
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2017, 07:45:10 AM »
Quote from: magnetic;833280
Ignore the "copyright police" yeah you idiot ignore the developers tons of hard work and many man hours.. sure just steal their work. You are a real hero



Yawn.