Ben Hermans still staunchly against x86

[ferrellsl]

The day Amiga goes x86 is the day I retire from the scene.

Is that a threat or a promise?  ;-)

[ferrellsl]

I think you should look at some performance benchmarks of AROS 3D. Then you may avoid putting such amusing statements.

I think lou_dias is absolutely correct.  AROS now runs on some of the latest Nvida GPUs and OS4 is still stuck with a video chipset that's at least 5 years behind the rest of the world.  I'm also seeing new hardware support for AROS on a regular basis.  In the past 2 months alone I've seen new WiFi support and new HD audio support.  When is the last time anyone has seen any new hardware support for OS4?

[ferrellsl]

I don't think anyone minds paying for exotic hardware when it actually does things other hardware won't. I have a friend who built a 4 quad cpu
pc (16 cores total) just because he could, and also because he does 3d rendering and other processor intensive tasks.
 
4 quad core processors and motherboard, case, ps, keyboard, mouse, sound and video cards, all cost him less than this x1000 joke.
 
The problem I see is that they are charging ridiculous prices for a processor that any 500$ cheapo pc can absolutely run rings around.
 
For 2000-3000$, I can build a 16 core x86 beast that would absolutely
smoke anything the x1000 can do. Kinda hard to decide instead, I'm
going to buy a 2ghz ppc with amiga os, oh and only one core will
be useable by my os... ? They are joking right?
 
Steven

Well, that's supposing that the X1000 even sees the light of day.  I very much doubt it will ever make it to market.  Trevor has already missed the summer deadline for release and since he didn't have anything new to show at AmiWest it's doubtful that he'll meet his next deadline.  It's beginning to parallel the last Amiga hardware fiasco courtesy of ACK Software Controls and Adam Kowalczyk.

The specs of the X1000 sound amazingly similar to what Adam was cooking up back in 2007.  See here for more info:  http://www.osnews.com/story/17866

[ferrellsl]

So we could have a machine with 7X as many idle cores as the X1000.  Mind boggling indeed.

Only Amiga makes it possible!  LOL

[ferrellsl]

I'm not for or against OS4/X1000 etc. at this point (I've never even used OS4), but the implication is that they will not be idle in future OS versions -- obviously.

Future being defined as what?  The year 2015?  And for whom?  The five developers that have the only five X1000s on the planet?

[ferrellsl]

Why not? As long as I may have one of them... ;-)

Nothing wrong with being rich, belonging to an exclusive club, and having a loootttt of patience! ;-)

[ferrellsl]

Yes, because 20 years ago they were silly kids that laughed behind Intel x86 processors just because they were "the enemy" to fight. They thought Motorola 68Ks were absolutely superior, while in reality they had just some price/performance ratio advantages in SOME aspects. Processing grunt on the Intel side, however, was superior and you just had to look how a crappy 486sx/25 and a 68030 decoded a jpeg image to see what was the real winner.

Then, those silly kids had grown in oversized losers that, instead of realizing they were simply wrong at the time, continued to fight their religion war. It doesn't matter if their beloved 68k processors went out of production and their line was terminated. It doesn't matter if the next "alternative" choice (PPC) brought them nowhere. It doesn't even matter if NOTHING of the x86 processors of the times still lives in modern ones (just the IA, which has been virtualized on a pseudo-RISC hidden architecture for a decade now), or if they went 64 bits, or if they are cheaper and more powerful: what really matters for those people is just "fightin' da enemy" as usual.

I sincerely hope that all the "count me out if Amiga goes x86" people will really do that, we'll finally get rid of that bunch of fanactics. Thanks to people like them, Amiga turned from "computer for the masses" to "computer for the classes" and now survives in a tiny, forgotten market artificially kept alive by a little community and two heroic companies.

Thanks for saying what many of us have been wanting to say for quite a while.  Watch out though.  Now you can expect to be flamed by the lunatic fringe you've just attacked.....or the moderators who will censor you for "trolling" because you're not "politically correct" in regard to "Amiga-speak".

[ferrellsl]

@desiv

Censorship?
You keep using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means.  :roflmao:

The fact that you can post that, kind of implies that they aren't censoring you...

While I disagree with the above, he's allowed his opinion.
I'd prefer it be done without the condescension, but let's just call it hyperbole..

It's obvious not everyone who preferred Motorolla at the time was a silly kid.  The "oversize loser" comment was (IMHO) put there just to get people upset.  Could be wrong.  I'm sure he had a valid sampling methodology to justify his claim.

I do wonder, what were the JPEG times for those 2 systems?
How did they compare at the time?

Does anyone have a 486 anymore to be able to run a test?
Of course, without the same software on both machines, it might be more a test of the software.
I would think a 68030 might hold it's own against a 486/25, but I could be wrong..

desiv

I wasn't implying that I was being censored nor was I trying to be condescending to paolone.  I'm not sure why you'd think otherwise.  I was clearly agreeing with paolone and I was suggesting that HE would be censored/banned for not falling in line with all the 68k/PPC-only fanatics here (AKA Cult of the 68K).  And yes, the correct word is censorship.  Moderators on this forum just in the past 2 days have threatened to ban anyone who makes posts that they deem to be trolling or anti (Amiga, AROS, OS4, etc....).  Can't get them to define trolling though....

As for 486 vs 68k performance, I have an A1200 with a 68030 accelerator (CSA 1250 12-Gauge) clocked at 50 Mhz and ran benchmarks against a 486DX 33.  Performance is about equal even with the huge difference in clock speed.  So paolone's remarks are spot-on in spite of all the irrational remarks that will be made about the 68k family and how it's "superior".  It certainly is NOT superior.