Commodore USA puts Marko Hirv's name back

[ferrellsl]

Holy crap Piru.  If you're so worried about it why don't you sue Commodore on Marko's behalf?  What's one more lawsuit in in this freakshow called "Amiga"?

[ferrellsl]

Geesh, why can't you let this go?  This is the second thread you've started about this nonsense.  Why don't you do us all a favor and contact Marko and let him deal with HIS artwork.  Stop acting like it's YOUR art work.  He probably doesn't even care that Commodre USA has used it.  If he does care he hasn't said anything about it.  And to use the words "steal" and "abuse" is certainly stretching it.  How was it "abused"?  Did he take it out and spank it?   Please stop all the b;tching.

[ferrellsl]

@Belial6

Yeah, Piru is certainly going overboard with this picture business and the way Commodore USA used Marko's picture on their web page.  With all the other copyright infringement that goes on in this world, one has to wonder why he's so angry about this case.  Could be that he just doesn't like AROS?  That's my opinion for what it's worth.  MorphOS has missed the boat by being ported to a a new architecture.  Maybe Commodore USA is cutting into his sales of MorphOS by offering PCs pre-loaded with AROS?

[ferrellsl]

I am not acting like it's my work.

He might not. But that's beside the point.

He doesn't need to say anything. Until he does give explicit permission, the artwork cannot be used outside of "fair use" clause. Anything else is copyright infringement.

No, it really isn't.

1. It is used commercially for marketing purposes, without any permission from the author.
2. It's used as a design for a computer model, without any permission from the author.
3. The artwork has been modified, without any permission form the author.
4. At one point the author's name was removed from the artwork.


I will continue to discuss this issue up until either a) the unauthorized use ceases or b) the author gives his permission for the usage.

So who made you the Copyright Police?  You can continue to post about this until the cows come home but I think most people are already tired of it and wondering why you're so pissed at Commodore USA with all the other infringement that goes on elsewhere.  You've made your point and most people on this board are tired of hearing you whine about it.

[ferrellsl]

@Karlos

Yeah, maybe Piru should just ignore Commodore USA and Barry.  Everybody else is.

[ferrellsl]

Ignore copyright violators? Should we ignore people who sell pirate software on eBay or elsewhere?

What does the unauthorized use of a clip art image have to do with pirated Amiga software on eBay?
Pirated software on eBay <> unauthorized use of an abandoned piece of clip art.  As for Amiga software of the 68K variety being pirated, you've got to be kidding??  Most of the publishers of 68K Amiga software went out of business long ago and the only way anyone living in this century can get many of the titles if they want to investigate classic Amigas is to make copies of someone's existing library or buy originals from someone willing to sell.  I won't sell my originals and since they can't be bought anymore, I allow people who want to get into the hobby of classic Amigas to copy some of my titles.  Is that piracy?  I don't think so.

I have original boxed versions of Aegis Draw and Sonix.  I've made copies of it and given it to friends because it's no longer available....Aegis went under years ago.   My friends couldn't find copies on eBay or elsewhere.  Is this piracy?  I really don't think so.  And even if my friends were lucky enough to find a boxed set on eBay or elsewhere, the diskettes are so old that they're defective 99% of the time.  You can't infringe on a copyright if the copyright holder no longer exists.

And if you guys are so freakin' worried about Marko's clip art, then why aren't you attempting to locate him to let him know that his work was used without his permission?  Maybe Marko doesn't really give a rat's @ss if his art is being used or not.  Maybe that's why he hasn't responded to Barry's or anyone else's attempts to contact him.

By opening 2 separate threads about this issue and b;tching about it, you've given Commodore USA a 100 fold increase in publicity, which is the exactly opposite of what Piru intended.  And like they say in Hollywood, even bad press is good press.  It would have been better to just ignore Marko's picture and not give Commodore USA all the free publicity.

I'm not saying that Commodore USA was right to use that image.  I'm just saying that you should let Marko take care of Marko's business and get lives of your own.  But I'm sure you'll disagree and keep giving Commodore USA more free publicity. Way to go.....

[ferrellsl]

"You're wrong here.
List of countries' copyright length

If some company goes under and no-one picks up the rights then they return to the original authors.

Assuming Marko lives to be 70 years old the copyright will expire around 2110 (or 2090 if the 11.11.1992 copyright law applies)


You keep repeating this and you don't seem to understand that this is irrelevant. Until he gives the permission the copyright law applies.

All you've done is give a list of countries and when their respective copyrights expire. That doesn't prove that anyone has been infringed upon.  Those determinations are made by courts, not by accusations posted on obscure boards frequented by arm-chair lawyers living on the fringe.  And what if Marko is dead and he didn't leave his estate to anyone?  As I said earlier, if the copyright holder no longer exists (aka dead), you cannot infringe upon him.

What if the original authors are dead or simply don't care?  Then Piru is supposed to take up their banner and become "Super Copyright Man", rushing in to enforce the law because the law is the law?  Either enforce the law by taking Commodore USA to court or be stop whining about it.  We have a saying here, "Either sh;t or get off the pot".  It applies here.

As I said earlier, if you feel so strongly about Marko's art, then be proactive instead of whining about it.  Obtain legal power of attorney from Marko or his estate and sue Commodore USA in a US court.  Whining never fixes anything.  Or do you expect from all the posts and whining that someone in the US will feel so strongly that they'll take it upon themselves to spend their time and money to pursue Commodore USA in court?  Keep dreaming.......

[ferrellsl]

trying to bring some sanity to this asylum but the lunaticsehave been left in charge