I think OS4 CAN be run on MAC MINI (USABLE)

[ferrellsl]

Funny... kinda curious who convinced you to go for MorphOS in the first place Someone should probably have told you OS4emu is mostly useful for starting silly forum threads...

The same folks on here that keep insisting that MorphOS isn't a business and that it's a success. :-)

[ferrellsl]

Woohoo, tone007 inc!  Let me do a little dance now.



Probably because no one cares what you believe. Would you define success only by how much money it's made (or how many copies it's sold, as you like to put it?)  That's sad.  I'd call it a success as just about everyone who gives a damn about Amiga today has heard of it, and it's an easy (and only getting easier) to access option.  What more can you ask for given anything falling under Amiga these days?  Still holding out for the Destroyer of Microsoft?

Your posts keep getting more and more juvenile.  Proud of yourself?  

Success is relative and is defined by the size of the market and one's market share.  So when do I give you your next class in economics?

And simply knowing about a product doesn't mean it's a success.  I've heard of Windows ME too but everyone agrees it was a failure, including the developer.

[ferrellsl]

I'm just havin' a good time, thanks for asking though.

The Amiga market is tiny.  Sell 10 copies and you're a success! Does this mean AROS can't be a success though, because it's free?  What if tons of people only downloaded the trial version of MorphOS, but liked it?  Would that make it less successful?

It comes down to this: success, in your eyes, is quite possibly not what success means to the developers.  Is their number one priority to make money?  If not, their success cannot be made or broken by sales.

Hey, now we're getting somewhere.  Yes, the market IS tiny.  So it would be nice if someone would define the size of that market.  Not sure if that's even possible anymore.  And you're right about AROS.  Same goes for Linux.  I have no doubt that the developers of OS4, AROS, and MOS all believe that they've been successful.  And from their perspective, I would agree.  But from the perspective of a businessman and an investor, I'd like to see some numbers.  And as someone who has bought and paid for my copy of MOS, I consider myself an investor, albeit a very limited one.  I'm not asking for anything above and beyond what any investor would ask who has invested in a product.  Nobody wants to buy a dying product or make a bad investment.

So yes, total sales might not be representative of success, especially now that MacMinis are a factor and the MorphOS team has no real idea of how many are out there and being considered for MOS.  But even a percentage of market share would be nice.  It would be nice it the the MorphOS team could say definitively that MOS runs on 40% of all Amigoid PPC systems out there vs OS4.....that's just an example of course.  That way they've not divulged real sales figures or sensitive financial info.

[ferrellsl]

Ah... the comprehension thing again

For someone who is too tired to engage anymore, you're sure quick with the snide one-liners.

[ferrellsl]

@itix
 

I never said MorphOS was a bad OS.  I said I was disappointed by all the hype generated by several people on this board who acted like it would supercharge 5 yr old technology.  The disappointments are in the lack of robust, useful software to run on MOS.  Useful being a decent office suite and a mature browser that supported modern standards.  I bought my PegII and MorphOS nearly 3 years ago and that's an eternity to wait for decent software.  I also paid $700 for the PegII and another $200+ for MorphOS.  I can buy one heck of a modern workhorse computer for that kind of money.  Yes, OWB is out there now and is becoming more mature all the time but I shouldn't have to pay nearly $1000 and wait nearly 3 years to surf the web with my system.  That's just ridiculous.

And if you look at my earlier post from 4:29 today, you'll notice that I'm in violent agreement about the size of the Amiga market and what constitutes success there.  LOL

As for new, inexpensive and powerful hardware for future Amiga OSs including MorphOS, I've always thought that x86 is the future, like it or not.  ARM isn't an option in my opinion.  It's just another obscure, underpowered dead-end.  I like AROS and think it's the future of Amiga-like OSs.  The x1000 will die a slow death if it ever reaches market.  And the guys from MorphOS like to keep things shrouded in mystery but hint that ARM is likely to be the next CPU running MOS.  I hope not.

@johnklos
See my post for 4:29 today.  We're in agreement about what constitutes success in the Amiga market place.

[ferrellsl]

@ferrellsl

"I bought my PegII and MorphOS nearly 3 years ago and that's an eternity to wait for decent software. I also paid $700 for the PegII and another $200+ for MorphOS. I can buy one heck of a modern workhorse computer for that kind of money"

Well, you should have. I mean, who in their sane minds would fork out that money expecting something that could compete with whatever you seek, decent software wise. You seem to blame the platform for not getting you the sw you need, while afaik noone never promised or guaranteed you such thing.

Well, based on your logic people only buy MorphOS to look at the desktop since there's no decent software to use.  I had hoped that the MOS team would actually develop or port some decent apps to MOS, but in 3 years it hasn't happened and I'm certain it'll be the same in 3 more years.  I wasn't looking for a system to compete with anything.  I was looking for s system that was useful.  I'm still waiting.

[ferrellsl]

@itix

"Now we are talking. There is no solution for PPC which could fill all three requirements. x86 could be an option but removes backwards compatibility. ARM is only another obscure custom hardware from user POV."

Well, UAE could always be integrated into the OS just like it's been done in AROS.  That would maintain backwards compatibility.  And at some point you have to cut backward compatibility loose.  Apple did it with OSX and even MS has ditched backward compatibility to a large degree.  But with very little new Amiga s/w development going on, you DO have a point in regards to backward compatibility.

[ferrellsl]

100 million sold iOS devices would disagree with you.

An I bet there are less than 3 people on this board who can even name a device with an ARM CPU installed unless you're talking iPhone.....so yes, it obscure.  I probably have one embedded in my alarm clock or my calculator.

In my opinion, for AOS to survive, Hyperion needs to get out of the hardware business and focus on OS development for whatever hardware the market will support.  And for MOS to survive, the MOS dev team needs to ditch PPC and port the OS to something that at least is currently still under production.