I think OS4 CAN be run on MAC MINI (USABLE)

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I agree skurk.  And there are some OS4 apps that just won't run on MorphOS.  MorhOS is great and I have a copy on my PegII.  It's quite a bit faster than OS4 and visually is more appealing, but I have to keep OS4 around just to run some of my apps.  And the OS4Emu for MorphOS works with a very small list of programs, but not all of them.

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Piru will argue against this point until death.  He believes that because there are tons of cheap,  unused MacMinis laying around, that people will be drawn to use them with MorphOS.  I guess he hasn't driven by any auto junkyards lately.  Tons of unused, obsolete cars just waiting to be adopted and put back on the road.......yeah, right.....

MorphOS will go extinct with that kind of business model.  Not even 3rd world countries can be coaxed into using MorphOS even if the hardware and OS was given to them for free.  It doesn't offer them a future......or us one for that matter.

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@B00tDisk

Yeah, I see tons of Africans foaming at the mouth to get their MacMinis and a copy of MorphOS.......

Nobody wants to start out already being obsolete, not even folks from 3rd and 5th world countries.  And to say that MorphOS is some sort of experimental fuel that will make a MacMini something special or supercharge it is just a bad joke.  A MacMini is at least 5 years out of date and MorphOS won't change that.

So to rephrase my analogy, there are tons of unused and obsolete MacMinis sitting in our closets collecting dust that we're all too lazy to take to the scrap yard and recycle or send off to the unwashed masses.  And even if these MacMinis did get into the hands of some 3rd or 5th world waif, they're not going to look for a copy of MorphOS to put on it.  They're going to look for OSX.....something that can run some robust applications.  And they'll actually be pissed because most 3rd world nations want something that will run one of the Microsoft OSs, not a PPC boat anchor.

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@itix

I agree.  I bought MorphOS to run on my PegII out of curiosity and because I believed the crap that "others" were spouting on here about how MorphOS would turn your system into a high performance machine.  Well, that was a load of crap and I expected more from an OS that cost me more than $200 USD.  And until Piru publishes some real sales numbers I'll continue to disbelieve him when he says the move to MacMini was a huge success.  He also tried to get me to believe that MorphOS wasn't a "business" venture.  That's the typical dodge when someone doesn't want to admit that their "business" isn't being successful.  I told him that I'd believe that MorphOS wasn't a business when they decided to stop charging for it.  I'd wager that fewer than 300 copies of MorphOS for the MacMini have been sold.

And this crazy belief that MorphOS will supercharge your 5 year old hardware is ridiculous.  Why do seemingly intelligent people continue to bring it up.  That's like believing that putting high test gasoline into a Model A Ford will turn it into something comparable to modern cars on the road today.

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@ferrellsl

Gee... as if anything amiga related wasn't outdated for years already, yes that includes any new hardware being made available. Some people like having something they can use to get their amiga fix now, promises of some far-fetched future targets may not mean so much for people who have experienced most of the post-C= amiga drama.

What?  Get your Amiga fix now?  The X1000 has been vaporware for a long time and will remain so.  And MorphOS is great a running old 68K software but try getting it to run OS4 software even with the OS4Emu.  It's very hit or miss.  If you want an Amiga fix, get a 68K Amiga or an emulator and relive those glory days but don't waste good money on dead-end PPC technology thinking that Amiga will somehow rise from the ashes.

And just because we've had to suffer with outdated hardware already for years doesn't mean we should have to continue doing so.  And I'm not impressed by the far-fetched future target of the X1000 either.  It's another underpowered, over priced system that might sell about 100 units after it's all said and done.  Just another waste of cash for the Amiga fanatics who will believe that the X1000 is bleeding edge technology.  AOS and MOS will continue to move into an ever smaller niche using their current business models.  It's just simple economics.  As their market base shrinks, the price will continue to increase just to cover their development costs.  There's no economy of scale.

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Believe what you will. I can't force you to believe anything. If you don't believe me then you wouldn't believe any numbers I'd be presenting, anyway (and no, I won't be quoting any numbers).


Again you're free to believe whatever you want. MorphOS isn't a business venture however.


Any such claims are silly. There's a limit to any HW performance, which no SW can bypass.

However, funnily the 5 year old HW runs circles around some of the PPC HW that is sold as new, today. The price-tag of these new offerings is just plain ridiculous. It clearly tells us that there is no point in trying to create new PPC HW today.

You've never posted any numbers so there's nothing to "believe".  If MorphOS is such a success, then why not post some numbers?  Are you afraid we can't handle the truth? Or are you embarrassed by it?  OS developers publish their sales numbers all the time to track their success or failure.  Heck, even open source Linux developers report how many people are using a particular distro they develop.

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@EDanaII

I agree with you wholeheartedly here.  The MorphOS plan is a great holdover until a new strategy can be developed.  But Hyperion moving to an obscure, overpriced hardware platform wasn't a good move technically or commercially.

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Hey, why not tell us how much money you have in your bank account?

Sounds like MorphOS, not being a business venture, has no reason to spout about how much money they're making or not making, or try to drum up interest based on "oo, look how many copies we sold!"  It's obvious people are buying it, though.

No one is talking bank accounts here or how much money is being made.  I'm wanting to know how many copies have been sold.  Businesses sell products.  MorphOS is being sold, so therefore it's a business.  It certainly isn't "donation ware" at $200 USD.  Businesses quote sales all the time.  Even MS and Apple openly report how many copies of OSX and Windows 7 go out the door.  And how do you see that "many" copies of MOS are obviously being sold unless you are on the MorphOS sales team?  If you're not on the sales team or part of the MorphOS devs, then you're just spouting crap.

Even Linux developers who give their distros away free of charge post how many downloads and users they have.

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@Fab

I was disappointed by the lack of compatiblity with OS4 software and the lack of any real office suite or a modern web browser.  Multimedia issues also abound such as the lack of DVD player software.  I constantly had to swith back to another computer that had all the missing features in MOS and even with a KVM switch this became a real pain in the ars.  So eventually the PegII was placed on the shelf where it remains today.  That was 2 years ago.  These days I can buy a modern netbook for $300.  I simply can't justify putting any more money into an OS4 of MOS system.  They're always a "work in progress" and woefully behind.

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Hiding one's success.......how noble.....

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@toe007

You can argue all day that MorphOS isn't a business.  And when they stop charging money for MorphOS, then I'll believe MorphOS isn't a business.  I've not asked for gross income, total revenues, or any other monetary figures.  I've only asked for total copies sold.  And how can a non-business have a gross income that you refer to?  If they're not a business, they won't have a gross income.

MorphOS isn't donation ware.  It's a business that sells a product for a set price.  Plain and simple.  You need to "give it up" or take some classes in business and economics.....

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@tone007

MorphOS isn't being sold on eBay like something out of a rummage or yard sale.  It's being marketed and sold at a fixed price.  No one is bidding on it.  Nor is it donation ware.  The fact that you and possibly the MorphOS folks don't have a business license when selling products doesn't mean that you're not running a business.  Even you are supposed to report the income you make from your eBay sales as income to the IRS in this country.  So yes, you're a business even if you don't like to admit it and so is MorphOS.

And as long as people on here continue to believe that MorphOS is such a huge success, I'll continue to say "show me".  I believed all the hype about MorphOS before I bought it.  Shame on me.  Won't happen again.  I don't believe it's a success and no one here seems to be able or willing to refute me.

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Funny... kinda curious who convinced you to go for MorphOS in the first place Someone should probably have told you OS4emu is mostly useful for starting silly forum threads...

The same folks on here that keep insisting that MorphOS isn't a business and that it's a success. :-)

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Woohoo, tone007 inc!  Let me do a little dance now.



Probably because no one cares what you believe. Would you define success only by how much money it's made (or how many copies it's sold, as you like to put it?)  That's sad.  I'd call it a success as just about everyone who gives a damn about Amiga today has heard of it, and it's an easy (and only getting easier) to access option.  What more can you ask for given anything falling under Amiga these days?  Still holding out for the Destroyer of Microsoft?

Your posts keep getting more and more juvenile.  Proud of yourself?  

Success is relative and is defined by the size of the market and one's market share.  So when do I give you your next class in economics?

And simply knowing about a product doesn't mean it's a success.  I've heard of Windows ME too but everyone agrees it was a failure, including the developer.