AmigaOne X1000 booting AmigaOS4.1 Update 3

[HotRod]

Damn slow compared to Workbench 3.1! Or my XP laptop, or my Debian Power Mac... (Though as people are saying, it might just be a work-in-progress problem.)

"it might be..." Noooo go buy it! Man that was just stupid. Sad to see the same bitter people saying the same things like little jealous children. If they don't show it exists it's vapor and will never happen. If they show it early with beta software and clearly with debug running it's slow. "you only get one chanse of a first impression"? What morron thinks that the final product will be like this. It's so stupid it's hilarious :-D

[HotRod]

Indeed it is, and the person who introduced that nonsense was certain "Ben Hermans". Ever heard of him?

http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?show=1052492275&category=news&number=26

Yeah I've heard of him. I've also heard about a big baby called Piru, you know him?

[HotRod]

Haha what. I never said it was vapor. And I said it's slow as demonstrated because it is, in fact, slow as demonstrated. Probably it will improve, but that doesn't change the facts as they stand at the moment: it's slow. Not quite dog-slow like some OSes, but still, slow.

I aimed at the might be comment and included comments from other people and put my thoughts out on them too.

[HotRod]

Wording like "stupid" and "moron" is pretty funny coming from somebody who only boots their computer to spend hours fiddling with the color settings in the BIOS configuration:

http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=34091&forum=14&start=200&viewmode=flat&order=0#626134

Do I really need to type a fitting word for you now or can you figure out what I think of that comment all by yourself? I can give you a hint: Actually there are several fitting words and none of them are positive. But hey, you didn't understand why I wrote what you quote so you probably won't figure this out either ;-)

[HotRod]

It comes as no surprise that any thread in which people are in any way critical of Hyperion or OS4 in the smallest degree brings a bunch of wailing about meany mean bullies from the True Faithful...I'm just a little surprised it isn't only HotRod making a fool of himself.

And you really don't think that people such as yourself isn't making a fool out of yourself? What do you really think that people think of these silly negative comments? I know the answer and so does everyone who doesn't belong to that small group. I'm no bigger fool than you are, that's for sure.

[HotRod]

Oh please! Save it for your fellow Hyperion worshippers. You don't have to be in some minority to watch that video and see that the X1000, after two+ years of development, simply isn't living up to the "What is X?" hype from early 2010.

Everyone can see that it's slow, it's underwhelming, it's going to be overpriced, and it wouldn't be much a surprise if it never gets out of beta. It isn't anything that Amiga should be about, and it's not the fault of me or anyone who you named above. if you want somebody to blame for your crappy OS4 experience blame Hyperion and Co.

I can run debug mode and show a video from my A1, and you can go "Oh nooo, it sucks, it's sloow!". Then I can turn it off and show it again and you can go "Oh it boots fast! It doesn't look too bad!", then I can turn it on and you can go "Holy crap, that's awfull, what a overpriced piece of junk", then I can turn it off again and you can go........

See where I'm going with this?

[HotRod]

That the A1 has a crappy serial output?

Like talking to a 3 year old that has never used a computer. Shouldn't you be on some site for knitting or something? It's probably more suited to your personality and knowledge.

[HotRod]

Nice life they're living

[HotRod]

You have issues with knitting? Besides, this site is for knitting or something.

Nah, no issues it's just hard to explain things to people that don't know anything. Like talking to the cat. The cat I can understand, you on the other hand... maybe it's you on that picture, it would explain your way of (not) thinking.

[HotRod]

I seriously doubt they have anything worth showing. The only seriously redeeming feature a NG Amiga system that would impress anyone would be an absurdly fast boot time. Press the button, wait a couple of seconds and bam, there's the desktop. It's not like there's a whole hell of a lot going on in there. If they could show that, they would have.

All these excuses about it being a debug build responsible for the machine running like utter crap is just lame. There must be some really atrocious code flung together to get this running on the pa6t.

If you've read up on some of the things they're planing there will be things to show. But really, what is there to show in AOS 3.x? Or in MOS? Or AROS for that matter, it boots fast...

I don't get more excited over the other options since they don't bring anything else from what AOS 4 got. AOS 3 got even less new programs and MOS... will there be a new 3D driver system? Printer drivers? Will you ever be able to run it on new hardware again? Even though cheap macs are nice in a way they will only feal modern for so long. They already lacks a HDMI port and the graphics cards are old. They will only be cheap and fast for a couple of years. The next Amiga (or amigalike) system that I'll buy got to be able to play a fullhd movie on my TV being connected with a HDMI cable and from I've read the X1000 will be able to do that. I know that my PowerMAC never will. I don't know about AROS, maybe it handles it but it got a long way to go still IMO.

The goal for me is to be able to do as much as possible with the Amiga to use the PC less since I enjoy AOS more. I don't know what goals others have but since the recent braging about OWB for MOS being able to display Youtube clips in a nice way it seems that it's the goal for MOS users too. An old powermac won't do for long though. The strong reactions that will come from this comment is because you know it's trues... sad but true.

The X1000 is the most exciting amiga ng project at the moment even if it's far from the original Amiga.

[HotRod]

You are just wrong. Today a PowerMac G4 already replays 720p vids easily (my 1.5 GHz Mac mini is pretty loaded with 720p, but actually does handle it nicely) . You want hdmi? Easy, get a hdmi/dvi cable and be done (hdmi is backward is compatible dvi).
The G5 does easily replay full hd, it has been tested already by Fab.

You see, your demand is fully covered by the rusty old el cheapo Apple gear with MorphOS. Part of your demand since about two years meanwhile (720p hdmi). But of course you may continue to wait for the holy grail....

Without audio, right? I want audio too. I got a powermac and can even watch fullhd in macos x. The holy grail? No the better amiga option. The holy grail would be Commodore not making those misstakes aand still making the best computer in the world. Now it is about using whatever fits you best. I wouldn't mind buying MOS for the powermac to try it out but it isn't available yet. But there is nothing wrong in thinking that something new for MOS would be good as well.

[HotRod]

MacOSX != MorphOS

I believe it's fair to say the latter makes more of the available processing power of your typical G4 Mac than the former ever did.

Excuse me but what the heck has it got to do with what I wrote? I wrote that I can watch fullhd in macos x and that was it. Not that it can't be done in MOS, I already knows it can. How ... whay are you telling me this? HDMI.... video and audio through a HDMI cable.

[HotRod]

Maybe I get mad, but while I watch movies on my Mac mini I not only hear voices, but also music. Incredible!!! How can that be since there is no hdmi port?
But I have an idea: Theres is this pretty funny 3.5mm jack on the back of my mac mini. I had this übercrazy idea to take a few copper cables I connect this jack with my hifi amplifier. Wow - what an effect: Music, voices. Lord of the rings actualy is no silent movie as I thought all the years before!!

Oh what do you know! There it is! Great! Except that I don't have my hifi amplifier set up, my speaker system isn't in front of me when I watch movies, it's in front of me when I sit in front of my computer, I don't want the sound to come from the side, I don't want to cary around the speakers, I want the sound to come out from my TV. And why would I bother when it works the way I want to from the PC? It will work the way I want to on the X1000 but it never will on the PowerMac. I think that I'm allowed to have thoughts about how I want my computers to work, not how you think that they should work (or anyone else). It doesn't work on a PowerMac, end of story.

[HotRod]

Sorry, misread your post as "I got a powermac and cant even watch fullhd in macos x"...

Ok then I know. Fab wrote that it works even though MOS is just using one CPU at the moment so I know it works.

[HotRod]

dvi-i is also able to transmit digital audio data. If your dvi source supports audio, you'll have audio on the hdmi plug, too.
It's not a problem of the hardware, it is a problem of the software.

Ok but does video and audio work with MOS using a DVI-HDMI converter would be the question then.