Aos 3 -> aos 4

[HotRod]

WOW! And David is one of our more polite posters.
Whatever purpose you did have in creating this thread Hotrod, I doubt its being served.

It has been served. I've read what you quoted. I'm begining to wonder who I'm talking to though since you ask the same question all the time, what my purpose is even though I've answered every time.

Speaking of which, the way MOS users behave won't bring any new users. This thread doesn't matter what so ever to anyone but your behaviour does so... I'm not worried. You should be but... your asking the same question over and over so maybe that's the reason.

[HotRod]

I can, I just don't want to, because I find this exchange highly entertaining. Pass the popcorn!

Hence my entire point.

He's an avant-garde painter.
She's a rock singer who helped popularize rap.
Caught in the middle of the collapse of a tech-industry giant, can they save their relationship?
Coming this summer to a theater near you:
AMIGA: The Warhol/Harry Story.

Oh, then your point has changed. From nothing to nothing... not bad. Are you typing while eating popcorn? Good thing you don't have a machine runing aos 4 on it, poor thing. Not you, the machine.

[HotRod]

Ah, we're doing all right.
Since the adoption of Mac support, numbers have steadily climbed.
We were here before you and we'll probably outlast you.

He's an avant-garde painter.
She's a rock singer who helped popularize rap.
Caught in the middle of the collapse of a tech-industry giant, can they save their relationship?
Coming this summer to a theater near you:
AMIGA: The Warhol/Harry Story.

That's funny!But can anyone picture Andy Warhol expressing an emotion, let alone love?

"We where here before you"? Ehm... I got my amiga -87 and been a user since then. I also bet I was on this very site before you and the crazy MOS people decided to go on repeat mode *MOS buy, rules, better than everything. AOS 4 bad, bad for everyone in every way* *MOS GOOOOD, AOS 4 BAAAAD* ... This was a better site before that. Higher standard.

I don't have any numbers and I very much doubt that you do so completely pointless like pretty much everything you write.

[HotRod]

Actually, my point (to wit: too freaking expensive) has been completely constant throughout this entire thread, but there seems to be some sort of spacetime anomaly between the Amiga.org server and your computer that is rearranging the text in my posts so as to make it appear that I have been saying entirely different things.

Because it couldn't be that you're just being willfully ignorant, no sir...

Yes because I don't know how many times I've written that I've read you point and yet you go on writing commets that are so boring that it almost puts me to sleep. It doesn't take 30 replys to write that the current hardware for AOS 4 are too expensive in your opinion. You're lying,  you know it, grow up, do something else.

I read your point the first time, I didn't ask you for some explanation in 30 following replies, you replied anyway because you're an asshole. That is the real and only truth and you aren't even man enough to admit it. Do you see why I think that you are a sad person now?

[HotRod]

Actually, if you'd read anything I've posted here and on other sites, I've always supported all the NG OS'.
I've picked what I thought was the best of them, but I see nothing wrong with an alternate choice.
And actually, I like what Amiga.org has become.
A community with more then one standard to bear and for the most part interacting harmoniously.

Interesting that you find my comments "pointless" as you keep answering them.

I find amigaworld.net more interesting, it also has different users but without as much "MOS GOOOD, AOS 4 BAAAAD" which is nice for a change from the past ten years. Gets a bit old.

No I found it entertaining for a while, not interesting or anything but that was about it. You're not making any points any more, you try to make me upset and it doesn't work. I like AOS 4 a lot but I also have a life you know. Life goes on without it too and I think it's sane to have that in mind. Those who I call sad are geting really upset if you say anything wrong about... well MOS... or anything that is negative... or not even that, they get mad if you talk about AOS 4 without mentioning MOS. That is not sane behaviour to me.

[HotRod]

Wait, you think I'm lying about having restated my same point while at the same time accusing me of restating my same point? I have to investigate these new paradox powers I've suddenly developed...

Also, I freely admit to being an asshole and have never made any secret of my assholery.

And your whole "assholery" is your only purpose of typing in this thread and it has allways been been your purpose and that is why I give you the answers that I do. As simple as that and you know it. And that is the sad part.

[HotRod]

Remember, this is an argument we didn't start. Our OS predates theirs.
And I've never advocated an adversarial posture.
I like having Hyperion around.

But then, since I'm "pointless" this doesn't really matter.

You wanna win a competition? Spend some time digging up every thread you can where MOS users behaves pretty much like in this very thread, in plain english as complete jerks to say the least.

Do the same with threads from any other "camp" that you want to. Then you compare them and see which one builds the highest pile of shit. I already know the answer and so do you no matter what you say.

You know... OMG... what's in your head? You're completely brainwashed.

Let me put it like this... you as a prime example of MOS users: Insane. Like talking to a wall who doesn't understand anything other than *MOS GOOD, AOS 4 BAD*... really.. it never gets any different, better... do you even realize how it sounds? And really how can you go on doing this for 10 years and counting? I would be so bored with myself that I would have comited suicide long time ago. It is SO SAD. I don't get this behaviour at amigaworld.net even if someone talks about MOS... like a normal person that is without *MOS GOOOD; AOS 4 BAAAD* . Noone in their right mind wants to hear that and not for 10 years.

Is that how it works, you brainwash people by saying the same things over and over, completely making the person reading it unable to think, buy MOS and then being so messed up that he can't use it?

Wow... look where it has gotten you in 10 years. You know with all the macs available that you brag about you should be the biggest camp by far but I'm pretty sure that you scare more people away than you realize and that my friend is your problem.

[HotRod]

The truth hurts those holding the short stick and some of them just can't stand hearing or reading the truth, so they are reduced to being like HotRod.  Sad little men with a complex that feel compelled to lash out with insults and lies.

Using my own words against me now too? How can it be lies? Are you the biggest camp? Has your way of acting attracted a huge user-base over 10 years (you where first, remember)? No it isn't lies, but yes it is sad, very sad.

Anyway time for bed. Have a good night sleep, I know I will

[HotRod]

*MOS GOOD, AOS 4 BAD*

You keep repeating that, but I don't think I've ever said anything like that.
I guess if I had thousands tied up in underpowered computer hardware and software, I'd be defensive too.
If you guys are this bad with only the SAMs to tout (unless you count the Pegasos, a  MorphOS machine, which is your highest performer), how bad is it going to get when the X1000 is finally introduced?
If a G5 Mac outperforms it, can you get whinier still?

My PC and any modern PC outperforms them all so noone buying anything to run either MOS or AOS does it for the sake of raw performance, I thought that was clear by now.

The concusion of what you write is just that, *MOS GOOD, AOS 4 BAAD* . Sure there are lists of text of why but that is the only point you're trying to make all the time and good luck with that, I don't agree.

Also SAMs got PCI-E, faster RAM if I'm not mistaken compared to the Peg 2. And all of those are new which I prefer if I can afford it. The option of buying a secons hand sam, amigaone, pegasos 2 isn't all that bad if you're short on money and otherwise you can buy something new which always feels better when it comes to computers.

And really, I couldn't care less. If the MOS team had a X1000 coming up I would've very much wanted one. Actually I wouldn't even mind if you did, it's not the OS that I have issues with it is some of its users. This is like a sect or something.

Like I wrote, you only makes it worse on yourselves. If you where... well friendly, open minded and... normal(?) then MOS would've been much more appealing. As it is now and has been for the past 10 years I wouldn't want to be a part of that community even if I got the hardware and OS for free and as you can see by the size of your userbase I'm not alone. Good luck and good night :-)

[HotRod]

@ HotRod

Time to take a break my friend...but honestly, what did you think your thread would have accomplished here of all places:confused:
I agree with you that the usual MOS supporters must always jump in & spam/troll on any OS4 related thread but hey the mods allow it so that's not going to change any time soon here

I thought that some would give honest answers and lots would troll and I would say that is exactly what happened. I'm old enough to just be amused of what they write and not care since it is the same peope writing the same things they've always written. On the other hand it is fun to reply only to see some of them get upset.

Anyway it was fun for one night. Must say that NetSurf served me well.

[HotRod]

No, my case is not really in bad shape.  It just has a few more scuff marks than I liked and since I had a better case with the dual 2.0GHz model, I just decided to swap them.  Both cases are in pretty good shape, with no dents, or real dings in them.  I have seen some really abused G5 cases on eBay and makes me wonder what the hell those owners were doing with their computers to get them in that bad of shape.  Personally, I like the G5 "cheese grater" case looks, but for it's size and weight, there is less room inside than I would like.  The older G4 PowerMac case I have has lots more room inside, is easier to work on since the motherboard flops down when you open it up and does not have the PSU positioned under a potentially dangerous leaking coolant system.  The G4 plastic case is not as stylish as the aluminum G5 case, but it is much better in many other ways.  If the G4, or G5 motherboards were a standard size and layout, I would probably move both systems into a custom case that I liked better.  (I am typing this message from the dual 2.7GHz G5 system that I find preferable to my x86 Quad Core box sitting right next to it).

Have fun with your old macs. Oh and lets hope that the old and slow gfxcards doesn't break, a new is expensive. The same goes for the cpu and even the clock battery. Can't take what? I have not one single issue with any of the comments here. They are stupid and makes me laugh. I got a powermac by the way. There are a video at youtube showing why macos x is better on the same hardware. Check it out :-) . Oh and I tried it on my amigaone and it worked fine. Good night loooosers :-)

[HotRod]

the mods allow it

Actually they don't allow spamming.
And they will flag you for inappropriate language if there is a complaint (but assholery just isn't enough of a serious insult to consider that).
If you can't take valid points, if your OS of choice is the weakest alternative (but it's the 'official' AmigaOS), then don't post questions related to it.

Its as stupid as defending Bill McEwen.

The only thing stupid is trying to stop people from having a different opinion. That is exactly where the "sad little man" fits in. Close minded and truely religious. It is even beyond stupid but it includes stupidity.

[HotRod]

A new AGP 8x card can be had for as little as $30 - my P4 desktop is using a NOS GeForce 7600 that I got for $60. That's, let's see...2.7% of the cost of an X1000, or 6% the cost of a SAM 460...yeah, it would totally be a disaster if the video card broke, all right.

A PowerMac got a different version than the PC, don't you know that? What do you know and why do you mention your old PC for?

[HotRod]

It's AGP Pro, which is an official extension to the standard, and it's backwards-compatible with normal AGP. Apple shipped it with custom cards, but it will work with standard AGP.

Yes but the mac firmware reads the BIOS on the card which must have PPC code. There are recent threads about how you can reflash some old PC graphicscards. Have fun.

[HotRod]

It's AGP Pro, which is an official extension to the standard, and it's backwards-compatible with normal AGP. Apple shipped it with (barely) custom cards, but it will work with standard AGP.

Also, I'm seeing a number of AGP Pro cards on Google Product Search for $15-20, so...nope, not seeing this whole "expensive" thing.

Besides... you and noone else here got nothing that you can say that will hurt me, make me sad, make me jelous. These are the reason:

It seems that I got more and better computers than any of you.

Even if AOS 4 should die and the Amiga should vanish I'm fine with that, there are other things in life that are way more important, it is fun while it lasts, if it lasts and I enjoy it, great and if not I use something else.

I can hurt every one of you though because you pray to your MOS gods obviously so I can upset you whenever I want to, it is really easy to do, your nuts IMO. I don't take it that seriously at all.

But like I wrote the fun is over, the serious part of this thread ended a long time ago. And please buy that powermac and mos, you seem to belong there.

[HotRod]

I've never been trying to hurt you or make you jealous - I'm just highly amused by your insecurity. If you enjoy OS4 that's great, have a good time with it. Problem is, you can't accept that other people might not feel OS4 is the best solution for them, so you start an evangelism thread thinly disguised as a question about why people don't switch to it, then get all worked up when people start actually explaining why they don't like it. If you really like OS4 that much, why are you so insecure that you allow other people's disagreement to get to you so much? Just do your own thing and don't worry about whether other people are playing along.

And really, you think you can hurt me? All you've done thus far is make me laugh and give my posting muscles a good workout

(And again, I'm not getting MorphOS - because, y'know, I'm not paying good money for an OS when there are equal or better options available for free. But that's okay, since the criteria for "MorphOS user" in your mind seem to consist solely of "doesn't like OS4, and isn't willing to pretend otherwise," I guess you might as well lump me in with your favorite bogeymen.)

Great, then we have both laughed but really, there's no doubt what you where trying to do even if it didn't work out.

Insecure about what? I really wanted to know since the groups are split in all kinds of directions I expected different answers and that is what i got. You claim that I am things that I'm not, you have really missunderstood the purpose and what actually is hard to grasp is that you still don't understand and still goes on claiming things that is not true.

Regarding doesn't like OS 4, no no no, if you look at the computer marked there would be quite a lot for people for me to not like if that was true. My closest friends all use PCs with all kinds of OSes on it, no problem. I talk to PC and Mac users all the time, no problem. Never anything like the behaviour from the MOS users though.

You claim that I don't grasp what you write but can't you see that it is the other way around? I tell you right here that you are wrong, what the perpose was. What is so hard to understand?