Which OS Would Be The Best Amiga Way Forward...

[HotRod]

@Most MOS users

I for one won't ever accept MOS as an AmigaOS for the future and the reason are simply because of the behaviour from the people who runs it. It seems like lots of you got serious issues and I'm not even joking, not even a little. It's sad and shocking to say the least. I mean you really hate Hyperion for writing AOS 4....... you play their games but hey, don't write AmigaOS 4 :-S . You can't write a single nice (and true) word about it. You allways clame any AmigaOS 4 user to worship it as a religion even though you only find that behaviour when reading the cocky comments from MOS users. Not only do you sound like your opinion is the only one that will ever matter and anyone who are against it are a morron but you also spend hours and hours talking crap about AmigaOS 4 which I'm sure many of you haven't even used or haven't used in years. That's as close minded as one can get.

You act like hooligans of Amiga-like operating systems. Now that is a new level of being geeky.

I wouldn't mind MOS very much if it wasn't for the people using it, there really are some twisted minds using those computers.

IMO (like verything else that I write is) it could perhaps be better and way more healthy to use that agression elsewhere. Pick up a sport, use wii fit, run.

There are exceptions offcourse but those people won't be offended by this either. Anyway the rest of you who spend times writing crap in every forum that exists, youtube and what not... get a life and go see a shring or something. Grow up. Get mature.

Might seem harsh but compared to the crap that I read from the MOS community this is sweet talking.

Finally... do you think that someone outside of this community gets interested in runing MOS reading that crap? Unless there are more of the same kind... good people to get in the community, spending all day long writing crap on the web.

[HotRod]

@Most MOS users

I for one won't ever accept MOS as an AmigaOS for the future and the reason are simply because of the behaviour from the people who runs it. It seems like lots of you got serious issues and I'm not even joking, not even a little. It's sad and shocking to say the least. I mean you really hate Hyperion for writing AOS 4....... you play their games but hey, don't write AmigaOS 4 :-S . You can't write a single nice (and true) word about it. You allways clame any AmigaOS 4 user to worship it as a religion even though you only find that behaviour when reading the cocky comments from MOS users. Not only do you sound like your opinion is the only one that will ever matter and anyone who are against it are a morron but you also spend hours and hours talking crap about AmigaOS 4 which I'm sure many of you haven't even used or haven't used in years. That's as close minded as one can get.

You act like hooligans of Amiga-like operating systems. Now that is a new level of being geeky.

I wouldn't mind MOS very much if it wasn't for the people using it, there really are some twisted minds using those computers.

IMO (like verything else that I write is) it could perhaps be better and way more healthy to use that agression elsewhere. Pick up a sport, use wii fit, run.

There are exceptions offcourse but those people won't be offended by this either. Anyway the rest of you who spend times writing crap in every forum that exists, youtube and what not... get a life and go see a shring or something. Grow up. Get mature.

Might seem harsh but compared to the crap that I read from the MOS community this is sweet talking.

Finally... do you think that someone outside of this community gets interested in runing MOS reading that crap? Unless there are more of the same kind... good people to get in the community, spending all day long writing crap on the web.

[HotRod]

@amigadave

I would very much like to know WHERE you read this because I read this site, amigaworld.net, amigans.net, watch clips at youtube (even about mos, everything amiga-related actually) and have done so ever since those sites opened, more or less every day except for vaccations. I'm also on several mailinglists since they became available and not once have I read amigaos 4 users bad mouthing mos in that degree, not even close. Actually I can't even remember reading anything like it even once and surely I should've seen SOME comment during all those years.

If you read this very thread for example do you see MOS users defending themselves or MOS users being harsh against AOS 4?

Unless I see one example of what you're writing I won't believe it. Seeing that there are all kinds of users here and at amigaworld.net I'm sure that I would've seen it but I haven't, neither on any of the mailinglists that I'm on.

I suggest that you take a look around, open your eyes and maybe the reality will show itself.

[HotRod]

@Kesa

I think the answer is in what I wrote, that is honestly my experience. There can be a threat about something OS 4 related and out of nowhere comes some MOS user and starts trolling and start a flame war.

Also I can tell you that you're diging your own grave by behaving like that. If a new user visits a site like this and all they read are desperate and cocky comments about how superior MOS is compared to everything else do you REALLY think that they will buy MOS? I would emidiatly wonder why people behaves like that because it sounds like you're trying to trick people into buying something. It doesn't sound very serious at all. Those who act like that can't be very secure.

Also I can actually understan if someone from the OS 4 side gets tired and write something insulting because it's really easy to insult you. Say one bad thing about MOS, even if it's true and there will be like 10 people going nuts, and I mean completely nuts. That's what I've seen. It sounds like they would hur you bad if they could. Now I have NEVER seen that behaviour anywhere else, be it OS 4 users, AROS users, classic users, Windblows users, Linux users or even Mac users.

And no I really don't think that is sane at all.

[HotRod]

@HotRod,

You have got to be joking!  All of the behavior you are describing is exactly what I have seen from the insanely jealous AmigaOS4.x users, not the MorphOS2.x users that have no reason to be jealous of AmigaOS4.x.

It is apparent that you are just being sarcastic, or trying to start a real fight, so this is my last reply to you as I won't see your posts anymore after adding you to my "ignore" list.

No I'm dead serious. Since both of us are probably visiting the same sites one of us must be lying, right? Still there's not much point in lying since those amiga users that are active also reads the very same sites.

Like I said, I haven't seen that behaviour anywhere else. There are news items about MOS a amigaworld.net every now and then and sometimes there are features that are better or exclusive to MOS and no I don't see some OS 4 user go nuts about that. Actually I see lots of congratulations from that side.

If you wonder I'm not on any "side", I really don't get that concept at all, I've just choosed AOS 4 because it felt right to me and I'm happy with it and I can asure you that I wouldn't act like that if I was using MOS either.

And if you want to digg even deeper I think this all began because of the bad behaviour from Amiga Inc and all that but now there are new users here that doesn't know about it very much or wasn't there when it happened but yeah, lets troll.

And even then Hyperion doesn't like Amiga Inc either so... really, what's going on? Why not just be happy with what you got like a normal user? I've never seen this behaviour anywhere and I stand by that.

[HotRod]

Someone please point out to me in this thread where the mud slinging started and who started it.

I did not notice anything overtly offensive until HotRod threw in his offensive remarks about "Most MorphOS users", which I got defensive about, since I am one of those MorphOS users and I gave my truthful opinion about what I have observed here and elsewhere.  It has nothing to do with me wanting HotRod to agree with everything I say or write.  I don't expect the AmigaOS4.x users to agree with the choices that I have made, or my opinions about what is best, but performance numbers and feature count has favored MorphOS2.x above AmigaOS4.x and AROS forever.  Those are hard cold facts and since the most obnoxious of the AmigaOS4.x users don't like those facts being pointed out on any forums, they usually resort to any other means to try to degrade MorphOS and call it names like children, because they have no other way to make themselves feel good about the choice they have made to use AmigaOS4.x instead of MorphOS2.x.

HotRod made it to my "ignore list" because he was writing complete crap and seems to actually believe it, or is just a troll, not because I disagree with his opinions and choices.  I have lots of friends that use AmigaOS4.x and I have no problem with them and their choices.  Re-read HotRod's first message in this thread and honestly tell me you think it was warranted by any other message from any MorphOS user in this thread and please explain why.  I would love to read that kind of assessment, if it is really objective and truthful and not just more trolling by anyone.

I don't have anything personal against AmigaOS4.x and would buy and use it, if it weren't tied to such expensive hardware that is so underpowered.  I also don't like some of the questionable behavior of some of the partners/owners of Hyperion in the past, but could overlook that if they had a better product at a better price, on better hardware.

No, not a troll, never have been and never will be. What about you?

Once again you went there... cocky attitude about MOS. It isn't even at all related. I bet you can't say "good morning" to your girlfriend (or mom or whoever) without adding "oh and MOS is the fastest OS out there and runs on Mac hardware". Also not all MOS users wrote to me since, like I wrote and you already have frogotten it seems, it wasn't aimed at every MOS user (missed that part?). I mean if you even miss what I just wrote how can anyone take anything you write seriously? You can even read exactly what I wrote as you type if you wish and even then it isn't true.

"but performance numbers and feature count has favored MorphOS2.x above AmigaOS4.x and AROS forever"... yeah I remember that test. "Forever"? In what way is it "forever"? It is one test talking about a specific version of AOS 4 and a specific version of MOS. You don't know if that will be true forever either unless you're some kind of psychic. Now I never see statement like that from AROS or AOS 4 users either.

You suddenly call me a troll when I express my honest opinion that enyone can relate to that has followed the threads and news items on the sites that I listed. In what way am I the troll and you're not? Can you even reply without writing some silly propaganda about MOS?

Another reason for acting that way could perhaps be that you've choosen the MOS way, realised that it was wrong but are too proud to admit it. Either way, that is your problem in that case.

Finally you write an answer that is not true with the same old crap that some MOS users allways writes when I'm not at this site any more. Talking crap behind my back in other words. Now that is really low behaviour. No I don't see OS 4 users treating the operating system as a religion but when it comes to you I do, you can't write a single statement without braging about MOS. What kind of issues do you have? No seriously? Why do you complain about AOS 4 being run on expensive hardware, is it your issue when you don't even want to run it since you think that it is crap anyway? The obvious answer is that you can buy a new computer instead of a used mac with limited VRAM and no HDMI. My guess is that your jealous (yes I think that most insults that you throw around you are what you yourself are feeling) and you can't be honest about it. That is childish to try and punish people for not being in that situation. Like it's my fault that you have to run MOS on a Mac... no really, what are you THINKING?

And before you write anything about me insulting MOS or you maybe you can see how I DEFEND myself or rather AOS 4 because YOU brought it up. I didn't spend time writing down MOS which are easy to do by the way. It isn't anymore perfect than AOS 4, not in my eyes. To me there are no perfect OS either but the one I prefer is AOS 4 and thanks to people like you I don't care very much about MOS at all.

FYI I had plans to install it on my PowerMac if it gets released but all that will remind me of are all the crap that some MOS users writes all the time and as a result from that I will probably just see every single issue it has instead of enjoying it. Good work dude.

[HotRod]

I use OS 4.1.  I use MorphOS.  Neither can do anything that my cell phone or tablet cannot do, sorry.  If you are looking to raise Christ in Amiga form and find a cross, blue or red - you're 20 years too late.  Many of you taking sides have not done yourself the favor of trying everything available.  I use an OS4/Morph/AROS machine daily, that being said.

We are hobby folks, using said OS's for fun.  I like both Morph and OS4, but I am not delusional enough to think that they are "next gen" and are going to storm the market.  No one buys a SAM to replace a Mac or PC, and same goes for MorphOS/legacy Macs.  You use the things cause they "take you back", and they are fun.  Quit pissing and moaning and picking nits.  I own a SAM, a Mac mini running Morph, and an AROS box.  End result - when I want to watch a youtube video quick, or check gmail - I grab my tablet.  The market has shifted.  The computers we grew up on, held dear and were extremely proud to know inside and out have been replaced by "appliance devices".  People grab the best tool for the job.

A mantra, whether it be Amiga OS's variants or mac/win/linux stuff.

Use what you like.  Use all you can.  Know what works best for you, and also know that what works best for you likely doesn't work the best for the next guy.  Have fun, and try and let the modern computer folks know that we didn't all wake up one day with 3ghz PC's.  Respect your roots, and the roots of others.

I agree with what you write but there are a little thing that I'd like to add. I use a PC with Win 7 most of the time these days. If I had a KVM switch (I will get one) I would probably use my AmigaOne more but other than that I use it for the things that you mentioned and games. However there are room for a better OS since the usage of AOS are more pleasant (I would even say much more) than Windows has ever been. That's why I upgraded my a4k during the 90s and early 2000 untill I bought the AmigaOne. I couldn't stand Windows, I always found something that annoyed me, actually several things. With Windows 7 I can stand it still got issues and runing AOS 4 is like a breath of fresh air, it just feels so much better.

What I really miss though except for software are hardware related. The fun that you had back in the day because of the superiour hardware sin't there any more. However the way you did things in AOS was often much more fun than doing it on any other computer because lots of software had really good ideas making them simple and fun to use, yet powerfull bringing out the creative side.

While lots of the devices that you mentioned are great and powerfull there isn't any fun to be had with them when it comes to creativity, they are more like tools to me. Windows kind of feel the same actually, to me at least.

Anyway, the point is that there are more than nostalgic reasons to run any of the amiga-like operating systems. There are simply room for a better experience. I think that's the whole point actually. To me AOS are as close to being perfect as it gets. It lacks lots of things that are better in for example Windows 7 but it isn't as anoying.

I think the long term goal is to grow, for any of these systems and it isn't impossible it will just take lots of time. If it will work out in the end is another thing though but I've decided to just have fun during this ride and see what happens.

[HotRod]

My, this whole thread has gotten unnecessarily ugly and contentious. I use MorphOS because it works well and the necessary investment in hardware is lower.
If it didn't exist I'd probably be using AROS.
AOS4 hardware is just too expensive for me to justify. But those of you who want to go that route have my blessing.
Frankly it all part of the same market to me and I'm not going to allow someone else's passion for a similar OS (almost identical) overwhelm me.
This whole thread's gotten quite inane.

I guess that you somehow got insulted because I wrote so much about AOS 4 but that's simply becaue that is what I run when I want to use something AOS related. I've also tried AROS under VirtualBox in Windblows.

The point however was that there are room for a better experience than Windows offers (or Linux or MacOS). Then if it is AROS, MOS or AOS that brings that experience, that's another thing.

Get the point?

[HotRod]

The problem with AROS is lack of so many things. There isn't enough software. The looks aren't very slick at all, it feels more like OS 3.9 than a NG AmigaOS. Offcourse no way to run old software other than through UAE, at least with icaros there are folders, within folders, within folders to find an application.

I think that they got a long way to go before it will be good enough to compete with AOS or MOS.

Also different kind of icons everywhere makes it feel like something that was put together with bits and pieces from everywhere. It feels like a bad Linux distro.

[HotRod]

aros 68k is going to be/is binary compatible, any other aros platform - certainly not. (transparent) emulation would have to be used (which is in works as far as i understand) which is exactly how mos and os4 dealt with it.
@franko: so there is no need for uae on aros68k of course. that wouldnt make sense.
@hotrod: whats wrong with os3.1 as base? i dont see that much that os 3.5-3.9 added to that, except some minor functionality that aros provides nevertheless and some ugly icons. besides the looks of os4 are not that much better too, the icons and the default skin especially. and the functionality of its workbench reminds me of the times of 3.x as well. not that it was sooo bad.

You make it sound like not much has happened between 3.1-4.1 which must be a joke or you not knowing what you're talking about. Regarding the icons for AOS 4.1 upd 2 I think they are beautiful.

Either way, AROS needs to get "minor functionality" added and look better. Not that it's all that is needed, it just doesn't feal mature enough yet and behind both aos and mos.