Weird issue with Amiga 600

[fishy_fiz]

Does it matter much about longevity? New media types are introduced every decade or so, and data transferrde to them. Harddrives can also die without notice, and I dont think I care too much about what happens to my data when Im dead

For me the biggest advantage of CF over hdd though is the fact you can use larger capacity than a harddrive without needing additional power. My 32gig CF card (Patriot) works fine off the internal ide connector without needing to butcher the a1200 to provide extra power. Using a traditional 2.5 inch ide drive youre restricted to between 6 and 8 gig or thereabouts unles you want to provide it with extra power.

[fishy_fiz]

Perhaps I was a bit vague. From all my experiences, and Ive seen others mention it too you need to hijack some power from the floppy power connector to power larger drives. Id be surprised to hear that youre not doing that. There's even an article in amiga shopper about it.
Your speed for "normal" 2.5 inch ide vs cf card speeds are contradictory to most other peoples as well, especially concerning seek times.
This isnt to say youre spinning porkies, just that its not really a black/white thing.

[fishy_fiz]

Older, smaller ide drives are somewhat slower than new CF cards. And what makes you think that Ive not also tested this stuff as well? In fact Id never used a cf cards until about a month ago so Im pretty well versed in using 2.5 inch ide drives in an a1200.
Another thing to consider is that an a1200 isnt going to get full speed anyway, so seek times become important.

[fishy_fiz]

@Amidude

Who's talking about older drives you ask? Well you clearly are while talking about 20 and 40gig drives.
Huff and puff and claim to know whatever you like, the simple fact is its not as black and white is youre trying to claim.

[fishy_fiz]

Um, care to point out where I claimed to be an expert? What I said is Im well versed in using 2.5 inch ide drives seeing as Id not until recently used anything but 2.5 inch ide drives. My 32gig CF card is significantly faster than the 120gig ide drive I used some time back. Until recently I'd not experienced anything but ide drives on an amiga, which makes the difference stand out. Simple fact of the matter is that a newer, decent CF card will be faster on an amiga. If youve not seen that for yourself then I can only imagine youve tried crappy CF vs decent ide cards/drives.
You also keep avoiding the fact that an amiga isnt going to to get anything near the potential of either, and given the CF's significantly faster seek times this makes quite a difference.
You also dont seem to understand the definition of "black and white".
As I said though, keep huffing and puffing, it's no skin off my nose. Your know-it-all attitude just further embarasses you to anyone but yourself it seems. If youre happy about that then I wish you well.

Also, care to point out where I said a 20/40-ish gig drive isnt newer than an old 500-ish meg (or whatever) drive? I said nothing of the sort, you just added that in yourself, and then said "duh" about it. You do realise its not quite normal to say "duh" about something youre the only one talking about arent you? The sorts of drives you speak about are old, theyve not been made for years. Is that difficult to understand without twisting and contorting words to fit your arguement?

[fishy_fiz]

Youre not the brightest spark are you?
I spoke about older drives, yes. Older 20-40gig drives. Anyone with an iota of intellect can see that clear as day. I never for a second mentioned speed of drives that are even older again than the old 20-40gig drives. You did that, and then said "duh" to it. Lol, and then you did it again after admitting you'd bought the older drives into it.
Who's whining? Im simply disagreeing, much as you are.
You started this nonsense, its all here for anyone to see. Me and Gert offered valid opinions, you came in and started acting all high and mighty. Try to twist and contort all you like, the thread content doesnt change because of it.

Anyway, Ive said my part, there's no point repeating things. I have no interest in arguing with some random yahoo who's so adamant about things that contain lots of shades of grey.

[fishy_fiz]

Little bit defensive there huh?
Yeah, tends to happen when people back themselves into a corner.

Let it go bloke, I have no more interest in arguing with you than I would any other intellectually challenged person.
Little bit baffling though that youre able to grasp the concept of more recent ide drives usually= faster, but unable to grasp the same concept of other mediums. Quoting brand names is far from the be all/end all in regards to quality/speed of a storage medium. Larger, more recent CF cards are much faster than older smaller cards.

[fishy_fiz]

@Amidude

Still defensive huh? As I sid it tends to happen when people talk crap and back themselves into a corner. Seriously, dont worry about it, it's no big deal.

As for proof,... err, Ive offered just as much proof as you (ie. nothing but our personal experiences). Give me proof and I might return the favor, although as I keep saying, and you seem unable to grasp, or selectively ignore it's not a black/white thing. There's plenty of variables.

Little bit unusual though that you keep avoiding responses to the fact that an amiga isnt going to get full speed out of either a CF card or harddrive, nor do you respond to the fact seek times make a difference when speed is relatively low (as is the case for both cf and ide on a 68k amiga). Also amusing seeing you get aggressive when I bring up something you cant respond to. Sometimes things a person doesnt say will say more than words can.

Simpe fact of the matter is we've both over reacted.

Oh, and thanks for referring to my life as pathetic. Not an over-reaction about a disagreement at all (yes, this is sarcasm). Quite hilarious, and hugely hypocritical to call someone childish followed by that sort of garbage.

Let it go bloke and I will. We're not the only ones who use this site.

[fishy_fiz]

Some newer, larger 2.5 inch ide drives require more power than the ide cable can provide. It's not exactly rocket science, or a secret.

As for the suggestion that seek times are faster on an ide drive I can only respond with:


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Are you a good bowler?
What's your take on the pentatonic scale? Over used?
Why would someone watch a movie with invisible actors?
Did you know Rambo took 3 years of classical Jazz?

[fishy_fiz]

That's right. Three years.
Part of the reason there was such a large gap between sequels.
My amp goes to 11.

[fishy_fiz]

Fuzzy Wuzzy was indeed a woman. Gene Wilder wasnt lying.

[fishy_fiz]

I have 17 feet of cheese. Eighty five toes, although 3 of them have ingrown nails.

Hopefully you've grasped the idea Im not taking you seriously by now. I tried saying straight out that I have no interest in argueing with you, but you seemed to struggle with that idea. I even offered an olive branch and reminded you that there's other people that use the site, but you persisted.

Any more comments aimed at me from you, unless reasonable will be responded to as they deserve (ie.this same sort of nonsensical gibberish).

[fishy_fiz]

Ive lost it because I have no interest in continuing this line of conversation with you? That's an, err,... lets say, "interesting" perspective.

[fishy_fiz]

This whole thing is ridiculous.
We've both got different experiences and opinions and they dont match, so freaking what? Most people can agree to disagree. We argued for a while, these things happen.
My qualm is with the fact you cant seem to let it go.
Despite the fact you keep dismissing anything I offer because of a lack of "proof" we've both offered similar "proof" (ie., nothing but sharing our respective experiences). The difference being however that you persisted as I stopped taking it anything resembling serious.

And no, thus far it appears you cant have an "intelectual conversation". It seems your take on that is to say that youre right over and over, offering no proof and burying your head in the sand to any facts if they dont match your experiences. As I keep saying its not a black or white topic.
The only absolutes here are:
A. A classic amiga wont push either an ide or a cf card to anything near its potential (apart from old ide drives)
B. seek times *are* much better with a CF card. I challenge you to find *any* reference that says otherwise and share it.

Just curious, what speed CF cards have you used? Theyve come quite a way in recent times. My 32gig CF card is roughly %30 faster than my 120gig ide drive (with 8meg cache) both using pfs.

This is my last attempt at diplomacy, either continue to carry on like a pork chop, or try your hand at behaving like an adult, your choice.

[fishy_fiz]

Being a bad loser would require having lost. I havent.
Cant say Im surprised to see you responding this way though. When a person cant prove themselves, or if theyve been disproved and dont want to admit it they tend to behave this way. I tried my hand at diplomacy and extended an olive branch a few times, you showed everyone that youre not simply *acting* like a pork chop.

Cant show me any reference to your claims then I guess? If you was as confident as youre pretending you'd jump at the chance to prove me wrong, but instead took the aggressive response option.

As for my claims, take your pick of options from this page:
http://www.google.com.au/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&site=&source=hp&q=ide+vs+cf+seek+times&oq=ide+vs+cf+seek+times&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=hp.3...1844.5250.0.5453.20.11.0.0.0.0.1047.3203.3-1j6-2j1.4.0.3BtFXlBiR00&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=ccf7218a2aefdb07

You obviously have nothing to contribute other than the whole head-in-the-sand/repeat-something-without-offering-anything-to-back-it-up/ignore-facts type input youve offered so far, so I think I'll go back to responding to anything you write with nonsensical gibberish.