Amiga PCs on the way....

[fishy_fiz]

Each to thier own, but personally I find this whole thing ridiculous. Half of the entire "amiga" world seems to have lost the plot on the back of someone using images on a badly designed website.... if the company is going to last it will learn from its mistakes, if it's not going to last, then what does it matter? The licensing of "Amiga" appears to be as valid as the licensing of "AmigaOS", just different entities and goals, so Im curious as to what has caused the recent insanity? Personally I'm happy to see how things unfold before I dub someone the Devil. Good luck to CommodoreUSA, despite a rocky beginning Im interested to see how they go... I doubt I'll purchase any of thier products, but the Amiga names has been battered to death as far as computer enthusiasts go, so what harm can someone else trying to bring it back to the publics attention do? Amiga has a history of debatatble ethics, regardless of the path/camp. (aros being the possible exception due to it not being a business, but Im sure some people will find something to disagree with in regards to this).

[fishy_fiz]

Here's what I got in response to the concerns we've voiced. Some of it's a little harsh, but then so have some of our comments here.

"Here's a blast you can relay to the forum members, please quote exactly:
Commodore USA was not set up as  charity to support the development of AROS. It holds less than nothing of interest or importance to me, or 99.999999% of our intended market. It is a product that I or any other company could not use at all, as it has NO commercial value now, as is. So why are you all so concerned??  
Our support was to help the group move ahead, and be part of a niche hobby group that seemed initially to be  fun. I was wrong. Although some members expressed calm, sane, accurate and positive and open viewpoints, far too many exhibit behavior that is truly reprehensible. What is most amazing is the behavior and comments of the 'Moderators"   UNREAL!! Aros is not a commercial product; it is not even close to a beta functional OS that has any use at this point in it's development. Why some of you oppose the ONLY viable source of support is beyond me. Never has AROS received any promotion or publicity  that comes remotely close to that that was gotten since my intended involvement. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. Why some of you find every facet of my life of interest is really sad. Don't you have lives to live?

I'll address some comments in particular. This is business, not nursery school. You know how much was spent and paid for the Commodore and Amiga IP over the last 15 years. Do your homework…we are talking close to 100 million dollars cumulative over all these years and by all the corporate entities that played the game. Price of entry is steep, and so is execution.  Iggy has  tons of more info that for some reason he chose not to share with you all.  

As far as using abandoned artwork, no problem here. Marko Hirv cannot be reached. Period. I tried. No luck. And yes, I did email the company he is at now….again no reply. Find him…I'll deal with him, or anyone else that falls into that category. Ever hear of an Iphone, boys and girls? Guess what…Jobs used it, took it, made it his own…knowing all the time it was the IP of Cisco. Ever hear of iTV, another recent product of the Apple guys. Also, no ownership…take it …use it…and then buy it if you must. Lawyers make a ton and the company gets what it wants, and the IP holder is paid. All good, no? That's just a small example of how business is. I am not saying it is right, just giving you a lesson in reality.

Oh…..ONE MORE THING !!!! All you self righteous self appointed moral compasses out there with the huge mouths and not much else. JUST WHO LICENSED AMIGA.ORG THE AMIGA TRADEMARK PROPERTY APPEARING ON YOUR BANNER MASTHEAD???   NO ONE!!
Any comments on that flagrant violation of trademark law? I'll be most interested in a reply to that one. Very interested.

So, enjoy your little clubhouse, I wish you well, and am sorry my leap into your little pond caused such an uproar. I never knew such muddy pond could even exist.

Barry"

OK, like I said a bit harsh, but apparently heartfelt. Comments?

Depends on what exactly he is that he's responding to. How diplomatically were the questions asked ? Were they asked in an accusatory manner, or politely? Much of the behavior a lot of "amiga" people showed would provoke a similar response from many people. The man has been personally insulted and his character torn at quite agressively since all this deal came to light. Sure, he may not be perfect, but who is ? What has he done that effects anyone here personally to a point that this insane behavior is even considered, let alone carried out ? Personally I'm more inclined to give people a chance than automatically dub them the anti christ.

[fishy_fiz]

Sure, Im not saying Im in any rush to purchase anything that may come from this whole thing, but the manner in which people have expressed thier worries and/or disapprovement over what has transpired I find a little baffling. Everyone has a breaking point, even if theyve gone about things wrongly themselves, especially when all that has happened is bad, mostly inconsequential business practice. My response was mostly based around the quote though, I was simply saying I find it hard to draw conclusions from one side of a random response someone on a forum posted, and even if it was real/harsh/excessive/whatever, depending on the other side (what is this a response too even?) I can understand a breaking point influencing such a response.
At the end of the day though I dont really care too much so far, and I'll just wait until there's any signs that it'll influence my "amiga" hobby in the slightest before I start crying foul. The whole thing though seems one of the biggest, vocal, and bizarre over reactions I've seen in my lengthy time as an amiga fan.