Which OS Would Be The Best Amiga Way Forward...

[smerf]

Hi,

First of all I see no promise in anything associated with PPC, therefore I am in favor of AROS, which looks the most promising to me. I don't like MorphOS because they are more MAC ass-ociated. I hate anything to do with MAC's, it was the most god awful computer ever made for people who know absolutely nothing about computers. Wouldn't even have one in my house. So

My Vote is

(Drum roll please)

AROS

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Hi,

@Amigadave,

Sorry to upset you, but last I heard this is the Amiga.org site, not the MAC.org site, where does an OS made for MAC's fit in on this site.

You probably could say the same thing for UAE emulators, but you also have to remember that Cloanto's Amiga Forever is an Amiga Emulator and has the Amiga name attached to it.

MorphOS has no association at all with Amiga, and ever since they dropped the original version and switched mostly to MAC's they should take their propaganda to a MAC site and display their software there.

Sorry, but this is the way I feel about MorphOS. A MAC OS made for MAC's.

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Hi,

@amigadave,

The only thing I was really upset about with Morphos was that they took down the classic Amiga morphos. I will now give my apology to the morphos team because they have now reset the classic Amiga Morphos board back up. I have just downloaded Morphos for my A1200 (a real Amiga) and will now apologize for my saying that it is a MAC OS for MAC computers. It is now an OS for Amiga computers, and yes I do have a problem with Apple made computers, they are not a real computer, they were made by a egotistical jerk, and personally I would not own one if they gave it to me.

At one time I thought about getting a mini MAC G4, then I took my meds and came back to reality.

Got to go and see if I can get MorphOS running on my A1200 (a real Amiga computer not a wannabe MAC) Thank you MorphOS team, once again. Even if I don't get it running, I will always appreciate this day, and say nothing bad about MorphOS again. I also bought OS 4.1 for the classic Amiga today, it truly must be the end of the world, or maybe just an early Xmas.

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Hi,

@Iggy,

I really love it when you new guys come around and try to tell me what an Amiga is after I bought my Amiga 2 weeks after they hit the market, worked for Commodore selling Amiga's for 6 years (of which 3 years I won salesman of the year competing against MAC's and PC's) and sold Amiga's to Mr. Lucas. Now you come around and tell me that a MAC is an Amiga, can I ask you what kind of drugs you are using, because I definitely want some of them. You are really stuck in the PAST, (like most MAC users), PPC is gone, it has withered away, and is dead, so what you are saying is that rather look to the future and go with modern day equipment, lets use something that is dead.

Try selling that to people, the computer people in the know would laugh in your face, you might sell it to the Amiga people today that switched over to MAC's, but the real Amiga users would probably tell you to hit the road.

With people like you making the decisions, the Amiga might as well die, because using your ancient and I do mean ancient words of wisdom, and not looking towards the future the Amiga surly is dead because you truly don't understand the computer market. With your sales approach using the PPC chips you might sell (and I do mean might) a hundred computers. Go back and play with your slow, no go 1.4 ghz PPC, who knows one day you might even figure out how to get it to run a DVD movie (in black and white).

And I am sorry if I speak the truth, I always look to the future, as did Jay Miner.

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Hi,

Come on Persia you can do way better than that.

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I'm surprised you thought you needed to.

While it certainly is possible to replicate MorphOS kind of emulation on big endian systems, emuamiga isn't it (even when running on big endian systems).

Hi,

@Piru,

Excuse me for asking, but are you one of the programmers for morphos?

I seem to be a little ignorant on these issues?

If you are do you have a morphos that runs on the AGA chipset?

Once again, even thought I knock down most programs like AROS, MorphOs and Natamie I realize that most of these programmers do it during there spare time and have taken on a huge effort, so, I think I and the Amiga community should give these guys a big hand and I wish I only had the time and the knowledge to program as these people. Some times I think I see a really wasted effort because of not using the modern day CPU's, but one thing I have come down to the conclusion of is that many of these projects have started many years ago when PPC chips where the in thing, and many Amiga owners (including myself) did not want to see an Intel chip anywhere near the Amiga scene.

SO

even though I really hate to admit it

Keep on programming

All of us in the Amiga Community should give you all a big hand for the alternative methods that we are seeing.

I just hate MorphOS because

Sometimes I feel like a MAC, Sometimes I don't.

My whole thing with Apple is that Steve Jobs is a total egotistical bratstard that I will never work for again. Its either his way or the highway, or he will hold temper tantrums and go off crying in his office.

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Hi,

@Piru,

Thanks for the information, always did respect you and your posting, now I am really going to have to think, do I want to upgrade the Amiga 1200 to a graphics card set which would probably set me back about $500, or do I want to swallow my pride and buy a G4 mini mac for about $250. Really want to see what MorphOs is about. Well got to do some heavy thinking.

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Hi,

@Amigadave,

I sort of think that they are all bad apples.

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Ok even though that's total gobbeldygook to me, I spotted the word ZIP in there so perhaps one of the ZIP unarchivers I have on my miggy will be able to open this mysterious box of tricks, I'll give it a go...

Still pretty dumb though (and just plain lazy) archiving things for a real Amiga and not bothering to make sure the filename is 30 chars or less so that it can be recognised on a real Amiga...

It's like a DVD I once bought on eBAY with some 16,000 C64 games on it, they all had filenames of incredible lengths and I had to write my own program that could handle these long filenames and convert them to 30 chars or less as they were copied across to the Amigas HD...

Why do folk who do stuff on PC's that they hope to be used on a real Amiga forget the very simple fact that the Amiga can't handle these silly long filenames they give them... :rolleyes:

Hi,

@Franko,

Well Franko old friend, have you tried to talk to today's youth, ever ask them if they heard of an Amiga, well 1 out of 10 remembers it, the other 9 says I thought it was some Spanish word, and didn't have a clue.

Now if we take all this new info and examine it, that is why people who use PC's give it long file names. The other 90% do it because if you remember back in the old days when the PC's had 8 character file names with 3 character identification files, we always told them to upgrade their file names,

Well payback is a MF

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Hi,

@all Amiga Enthusiasts,

Well I received my OS4.1 in the mail and I am reviewing it now.

OS 4.1 Total cost with shipping $149.00
AROS  Total cost -- about 30 minutes download time  $0.00
MorphOS --  about 30 minutes download time  $ not analyzed.

OS 4.1 For the money you pay I would say not worth it, this software is worse than Windows, why do I say that, first after reading the book, my OS 3.9 which worked perfectly with IDEFIX (Thanks for the help Franko, I really appreciated it), bit when installing OS 4.1 on a clean HD, wouldn't work, the reason was I am running a 4 way IDE adapter with IDEFix97. After reading the book I found out you had to have your CD-ROM and Hard Drive on the 1st or main bank. At first I thought it was my Compact Flash drive, but after installing one of my old Hard Drives, I found out differently.

Now when I pay $149 for an OS I expect it to function without 6 hours of playing around to get it to work. Even Mr. Bill McEwen who supervised the OS 3.9 project did a better job then Hyperion. Look most Amiga users have the 4 way ide adapter in their computers, so why wasn't this programmed for in the making of OS 4.1,  even windows tries to answer weird setups in their OS and the cost for their home edition is $49.00 cheaper. Will play with it some more today now that I found out how to get my ide interfaces to recognize my hard drives, (automatic on most OS's today, did not have this problem with either MorphOS, or AROS).

AROS -- loaded this on my Toshiba satellite -- loaded right in, I gave it bad points because I could not get the interned working because AROS doesn't see my NIC card. Well have to upgrade it because Windows XP doesn't see it either without the special drivers from their board, same thing with the sound, but one good note AROS did see the 1024 by 768 display where windows XP didn not without the drivers. AROS so far is my best choice ( it plays my favorite games Soliton and Mega ball without a glitch).

MorphOS -- Loaded up on my Amiga 1200 PPC, but I had no graphics, just a black screen, only reason I knew it loaded up is because I hit something with a mouse click and my hard drive light began to blink. Clicked around in different areas and hard drive would blink randomly. Sits in my last place because now I have to consider buying a G4 mini MAC to evaluate this OS. It could be good, it could be bad. Will leave it up to other Amiga nuts to evaluate and give me info.

OK some of you guys are going to scream smerf don't you read the Manuals or look at the specs. The answer is no, I base it on OS's that I use, Ubuntu and Windows, both of these I load with out any info, I put in the CD and follow the prompts, this is the true test of an easy to use OS, my theory is KISS (keep it simple stupid) if you can't follow this lead, then I don't want or need your software. OS's should be transparent to the buyer and user, if I need a college degree on how to load an OS then I don't want it.

So far as I am concerned OS 3.5 and OS 3.9 should be the main OS's for the Amiga community, OS 4.1 has wasted 6 hours of my time so far trying to get it to work, I have basically had to tear my A1200 apart and rebuild it just to get it to recognize my Hard Drive. At the cost of $149 with shipping this is not satisfactory.

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