real amiga vs winuae

[smerf]

Hi,

@danybebe,

Depends how much you are willing to spend, I have an Amiga 4000 and an Amiga 3000, to play a lot of the games you have to look to see if it is pal or ntsc, then you have to look at what kind of graphics it uses, aga or occ or ecc, then you have to decide wheter or not it needs the program degrader, keep a pen handy so that you can mark all your disks with what it took to start up that software on the Amiga you decide to use.

Now the Emulator, I use AF2008, on a Quad Core, it is super fast, the music rarely slows it down but does not give the same sound quality as the original Amiga, the graphics are a little blocky compared to the original Amiga (i will probably get flamed for this but i will try to explain) the pc uses square pixels while the Amiga used round pixels the round pixels seem to blend better than the square pixels on the PC you can especilly see this in some old Amiga demos, while they looked good on the orginal Amigas they look squared out on the PC emulation. I use Amiga forever with Amikit, and am completely happy, but once again getting your software there and running is sometimes a pain, you have to try to convert it over with WHD or something like that. I can't remember the program since I bought a CD off ebay with something like 3500 games on it in this format, with AF 2008 it loads it right in off the CD.

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HI,

Well said cecilla, (hope I spelled it right, my memory is starting to slip)
I think I'll add another gigabyte, to enhance the 2 I have left.

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This is 2009, Virtual is the new Reality!

@persia

Hey I know virgil and he is not real in any manner shape or form, and what does 2009 have to do with it unless you are waiting for 2012 where the my in end of the world comes into effect. Come to think about it that is only about 3 years away. Go to go and stock up on my beer now so I will be ready don't you know.

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:laughing:

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Hi,

I had my Amiga attached to a Panasonic monitor and te pixels were rounded.

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Hi,

@DonnyEMU

Impossible, unless you are running them in Virtual Drive ware, and they must be running slowly since there is that much activity going on.

Now can you add more drives and format them at the same time with the same programs running, and can you add a flopy disk to each?

Can you load a CD program in each at the same time?

and

Can it whistle dixie while doing all the above?

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Hi,

@bloodline

I think he sat on too large of a joystick, and it is irratating his anal canal.

Sitting on a joystick so much fun, move the sprite by wiggeling your bun.

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You're right. This doesn't belong in a public forum. I highly doubt a PM will help, so I better just leave it as it is instead.

A wise man once said: "Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics - even if you win, you're still a retard". Very true.

Hi,

I really take insult to a post like this, and I hope that you remove it, I support the special olympics every year, and think that the people participating in it are very special, intelligent people that try very hard coping with a real world. Some of these kids also use Amiga's and PC's on the internet. This can hurt feeling bad.

Some  people on these site's like me, can be the real idiots.

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[smerf]

Hi all.

I want to assemble a working amiga that is actually usable, and is not too
difficult to use (I want my kids to be able to load games too), but  I've
never actually owned or used an amiga in the past until now (but ZX Spectrum, c64s and 128), so I'll have to learn how to use it well (I don't think is too difficult).

- I own an Amiga 1000 and an Amiga 3000, they both work fine (I
personally tested them, I can boot workbench and some games), have a 1084 monitor, joysticks and mouse, these are complete computer (with a couple of external floppy drives), and I have tons of floppies and many brand new blank floppies.

The problem is that they don't have a hard drive, and I have no idea
of how much memory they have installed (I can check) and  I noticed
how long do programs and games take to load.. How do I install a hard
drive o sd memory or cd reader in these things?

My other option is to just use an old PC computer (an amd atlhon 2200)
runing Winuae, and live with it (without having to actually put the
real Amigas to work) and a couple of joysticks. And why not, it can
run MAME too.

I'd like to listen about what do you think I should do, use the 1000,
3000 or the pc with winuae.

Thanks in advance.


Daniel
Drumheller, ab, Canada

Hi,

@dannybebe

I can only give you the experience that I have using an Amiga 4000 and Amiga Forever on a new Quad Core 6600 computer, of course the Amiga 4000 runs a lot of the Amiga stuff quite well, I also have an Amiga 3000 but do not use it as much as my A4000, but you should be able to find a 50 pin scsi that you can hook up to the inside at a very low price on ebay, you will need a 50 pin ribbon cable which you can also find on ebay at a very low price. The hard drive does not have to be a large hard drive I use a 5oo mbyte drive on my A3000, the next thing you will have to do is check the terminators inside the A3000 and make sure they are in place, if not like mine where removed, I use a 100 mbyte zip drive on the external scsi connector set at scsi drive 6 and termination set on. The A1000 you might as well forget trying to put in a hard drive, the cards and software are hard to find, by the way in anyone is looking for the Supra drive software that goes with the first supra drive scsci card for the A1000, I have the software but I no longer have the card or the A1000 since my wife chucked out my A1000 while I was out of town, yes I am still married to her, she had good intent in her heart, she bought me a new Dell desktop and didn't think I would mind her throwing out my old computer, (sob). Now for the Amiga Forever software for a PC computer. On my Quad Core PC it runs excellent, every now and then it hiccups on the music when I am playing a game, other wise on this fast PC it emulates the Amiga very well, and with AmiKit installed really looks great. On a slower PC you will probably have problems with the sound and sometimes with the video while playing a game, the Dell was really bad at this since it was a Pentium at 2.7 ghertz. My AMD 3700 chip seemed to do way better than the Dell but still had some problems while playing some games. Emulation still is not perfect even on the fastest computers, but am I going to tell you to go with emulation, hey for the price you can't go wrong, and then you might even upgrade your PC someday and install it on a faster PC. It might even work well on your PC right now, the problem with emulation is getting your software over to it and then learning new methods of using it, I know because I still am.

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try convincing Karlos that the amiga boots significantly faster than a PC and that this a useful thing.  But according to Karlos you, like me, are insane or suffer from attention deficit disorder.

Hi.

@stefcep.

I tried telling Karlos that the Amiga boots faster but he is dead set that his PC wakes up from its sleep faster than an Amiga booting, I replied that the Amiga does not have a sleep mode so the Amiga beats it there because it is alway on and does not sleep. Then again when you hear about his pitiful PC running Linux I sometimes wonder about him, I tried to convince him that the Amiga also loads its OS faster than a PC loading winblows or vista, but he also denied that post to, one person even argued with him with little to no result that the Amiga's joystick port is faster, once again he denied this saying that the PC joysticks are faster even though the PC today does not have a joystick port. Poor Karlos is having delusional thoughts after using a PC for so long. We really ought to humor him. Throw him a bone every now and then to keep him happy.

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WinXP could be made to boot fairly quickly with a little trimming... about 35 seconds on my circa '03 Athlon, no different than most Amigas that load a few extra things on startup. My A1200 boots to 3.9 in about 5 seconds... actually a pretty useful feature considering how often it crashes

Hi,

I trimmed Windows XP right off my computer for Ubuntu 9.10 64 bit. It boots slower than my Amiga 4000 but has better eye candy to watch during its boot up.

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@stefcep2

Frankly I don't see whats the big fuss about boot-times. My MorphOS booted in a few seconds, WinXP in maybe 20 seconds.. I have never been in so much hurry it has actually bothered me.

You have to remember AmigaOS/AROS/MorphOS lacks hundreds(thousands?) of things found in modern OS's. If AmigaOS wouldn't be 10 years behind and it would have a larger userbase there would probably be the same problems you mentioned. But that never happened so lets leave it at that.

I do however agree you with the registry, the registry was one of the lousiest ideas ever brought to computing.

I had fun with MorphOS, the OS itself was excellent and I enjoyed using it as a hobby.. but in the end the lack of proper software meant I was always switching to Windows to do the things I wanted to do.

HI,

@hooligan,

I gave up on winblows, I only use it to play the modern day games, that way when it crashes I really don't lose anything important unless your save position in the game is lost, but then that makes it more fun, you have to start your game all over again. I have learned to backup my save games on a external hard drive. For all my important stuff like pictures, music, pdf's etc. I use Linux, it has not failed me during the past 3 years and seems to be in competition with my Amiga 4000 which has all my important data since 1993, I still have my old Amiga 4000 on my desk for databasing all my disks, cd's and mp3's. it also has files for all my pictures and movies, and I do all this on a 2 gig hard drive with 18 meg of memory. Pretty amazing for an old machine, anyhow, I hate windblows and would rather use a OS that is dependable and preserves your data. As of this date it looks like Linux is going to be the new OS of my choice for important data, windblows will be used just for playing the new modern games. Linux also does anything that windblows does but it does it easier, faster and better and with WINE and CEDEGA I also can play about 65% of the new modern day games (sometimes you have to play with parameters to get them to work correctly, just gives you more satisfaction when you get them running in Linux).

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Okay, so you didn't have to serve as the sidekick.  I can read his writing as well.  I believe they are both English although you have problems with some words like biased and objectivity.

>Not unbootable, but far from your picture of no issues.

Go read what I actually said before you reply.

>Yes, and how many of them are have more then a laundry list of capabilities? It does not in any way cover specifics. Moreover - you demanded that Karlos look at the Motorola manuals, he has, have you?

It's easier to search online then read through the manuals again.  But definitely I remember reading object code compatibility.

>Given your "proof" for everything else you've said thus far, this should be a blast.

I will only state one and see if you are emotional sane enough to acknowledge it.  The very first point about joysticks you said my data was "utter rubbish".  If that's not a biased look at the data, then I can't even argue with you anymore.

>PROTIP: You saying it repeatedly does not make it so.

Nope, I will go one at a time with your biased views.  Let's see how you treat the first one.

>Because those points have been shot down so thoroughly that it isn't funny any more. >That you choose not to acknowledge that is proof of your fanaticism.

I stated CLEARLY all of my software boots up fine without the library.  What's the fanaticism?  I also quoted links.

Keep your insults to yourself.  As soon as somene replies (right or wrong) you think my views are thoroughly shot down.  Get a brain for yourself and stop being a sidekick.  You can easily get mislead with blind leading the blind.

Hi,

@amigaksi,

Well I guess I shouldn't say this, but you are wrong again, wrong, wrong, wrong, I have an Amiga 4000 040 25 mhz system, If I do not enable the 040 library, my 040 runs like a snail, it will still run, but it runs slowly, it also has a problem with some programs due to what they call the 040 bug which the 040 library works around, if I remember right it is due to a bug using the mov instruction in coding, this was not relevent in the earlier 68000 series but due to this bug in the 040 cpu, the 040 processor would sometimes crash, or lock up causing freeze ups or crashes in some programs. This was pointer out in the magazines Amazing Amiga, and Amiga world (remember them). When the 040 first came out programmers were warned to avoid the mov instruction and to use Commodores work around, later on some Einstein programmer made the 040 library that brought some relief to this bug.

I wish I still had my magazines, so I could tell you the dates of which issue (issues) to read on this bug. Also today when I run my Amiga Forever Emulator, it really outshines my Amiga 4000, with Amikit installed it looks really modern and functions quite well, I have run Pen Pal, Soliton, Crazy 8's, Space Taxi, etc. on it. ADoom really flies full screen at 1280 X 1020 and sometimes I wish I could slow it down, Pen Pal runs excellent as long as I take the data icon and move it onto the Pen Pal icon, other wise it won't load up, I still haven't figured out why, but it still is useable when I do this, Eagle Player works quite well, and the sound is fantastic, mp3's play great, but playing video is still well iffy, in other words I can't do it unless I register the frog, otherwise I get about 30 seconds of play. I also get to use my SATA drives, USB, and DVD dual layer burner. So now I turn on my Amiga 4000 on just about twice a week to transfer data from my AF emulator to the Amga 4000 (remember AF still runs under Winblows so transferring my data is important, the Emulator will go fits up with a winblows crash.

Why do I put up with winblows because it is the only OS that the modern day games are made for, and that is all I use it for, I also use Linux, which holds my video, music and now my software databases. Linux has not crashed on me for the last 3 years or since I started using Ubuntu. I have tried all the other big Linux OS's but I like Ubuntu the best. It is made the best and is the easiest to use especially for an idiot like me. I have never tried using an apple computer because I HATE APPLE and THEIR FANBOYS, I shudder at all the users of rotten core computers, my apple this, and my apple that, Amiga huh, didn't that piece of junk die years ago, and I am a PC and I am a MAC. It is all B_S.

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Hi,

@amigaksi,

>> Originally Posted by amigaksi  View Post
As soon as somene replies (right or wrong) you think my views are thoroughly shot down.
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No, they were shot down before you posted, now lets talk about the Amiga joystick, yes it is fast because it moves mathematically by counting pixels, which makes it extremely fast moving on screens. Now when you move it in most games which are using the 320 X 200 graphics mode, thats 320 pixels wide by 200 pixels vertical, it is extremely quick causing most programmers to put delays in the movement. Now you take todays modern graphics cards which are 2500 X 1600 pixels would cause joystick movement to move much slower since it has more pixels to calculate for depending on where the programmer has put the zero reference point.

If I am wrong please advise.

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