PC still playing Amiga catchup

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My Abacus didn't even need to be booted.

Beat that! :laughing:

Hi,

@GadgetMaster,

I just use my fingers and toes, my fingers go up to ten, then my toes calculate the tens this gives me a calculation up to a buck 10, and the best part they have automatic reset requiring no boot time at all, but some times my toes crash while being booted.

Beat that! :laughing:[/QUOTE]
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Hi,

@ADZ

What does example mean.

and then

What does that have to do with the price of kangaroos down under?

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Hi,

@DonnyEMU,

Thank god for the PC enhancing my computer experience with Windows VISTA, 10 reactivations due to hardware upgrades, 3 hard crashes, not loading games, at least 3 crashes a night while playing Fallout 3, and 4 freezes where I had to stop everything from running with Task Manager, Windows VISTA has been a real ehancing computer experience, and just think all this cost me $159.oo. Somewhat good for modern day games.

Ubuntu Linux, put on my machine in 2005, no crashes, free programs, free office suite, plays about 65% windows games with WINE or CEDEGA, provides penguin games, run e-uae, and the cost $0.00 (excuse me 5 bucks a month for cedega). Good for data, games, databases, word processing, spreadsheets, and home financial programs.

Amiga 4000, no crashes, no reloads, don't have to call Commodore for reactivation, have OS3.1 on 5 of there computers, plays old but challenging games, plays music, has great demos, no internet, no virus's or loss of data for the past 10 years, no support, but a fun computer to play around with.

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Hi,

@everyone,

How many PC techs, or IT techs work for microsoft?
How many PC techs, or IT techs work for Linux?
How many PC techs, or IT techs work for Amiga?

Amiga has the least techs working for them, this means they have the most stable system that just works.

Amiga wins

PC and Linux users lose because they need professional help to keep their systems going.

Sounds Logical to me

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@DonnyEMU
Well, I've no delusions about the many weaknesses of the Amiga, but to be honest, I do like the fact that I can boot it up, do a quick Google and shut it down again before my Windows system has become responsive. That's a positive asset for me, in a real situation. Don't get me wrong, the PC is probably used more than the Amiga in my world, but it takes so long for the PC to boot that I don't really use it for looking up something quickly. Hell, fiddling about on my phone's browser is usually faster, and I don't have to go upstairs

I don't like having computers turned on all the time; they generate heat and use electricity. And those hardware guys should have been able to tell you, that hibernating a computer is pretty much the same as a full shut down/start up as far as the PSU and hard drives are concerned. Sleeping might be a little less harsh on the PSU, but I'd be far more worried about the starting/stopping of the mechanical hard drives. And that's the same whether you sleep or shut down a system.

Hi,

Not only that but while your computer is sleeping the power supply keeps running and a fan in the power supply stays on pulling through air, this draw through pulls in dust, but that just brings another market to the PC world, compressed air to blow the dust out of their many heat sink fans, and air ducts.

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Ummm, time to wake up, it's 2009! My computer's power supply and fans power down to something like 5% or so when it sleeps. Even the pretty lights go out...

Hi,

@juan_fine,

Don't really know about that but my modern day computer keeps the fan in the power supply running when it sleeps, it may slow down some but still produces enough noise to bother my wife when she is trying to sleep, so I have gotten used to turning my computer off. By the way this is a totally year old machine built to play the most modern day games at very fast frame rates, equal to maximum pc test point computer. And by the way pretty blue lights still stay on after shutdown, the only way to get rid of them is to hit the main power switch off on the power supply, and yes juan_fine, my computer does have an off switch. Don't have to wait for winblows or linux to shut it down, but this is not advised with these two OS's

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Hi,

@Juan_fine,

Yes I am very disappointed with the PC joystick port, (by the way where is it located on the PC's I have spun my computer around several times and I can't locate it, but also I can't ever remember using a joystick on the PC and I play all the latest games, like far cry, far cry II, Doom3, fallout 3, Quake IV, crysis, and a lot of the old ones like half life the original, half life 2, Castle Wolfenstein, call of duty/2/3/4/??? or what ever ones I buy my son it is on here I just haven't got around to playing them, interesting.

Well anyhow seeing that having a joystick on your computer is very important by this forum, I have decided to take one of my old Amiga 500's that died, and remove the joystick port and circuitry for my PC, after all I put a lot of time and money in my new game rig and I want the best joystick port made.

I suggest that you do the same, remove the port from an old fried Amiga that you have been carrying for parts, and put it in your PC, I know it can be made to work somehow.

As far as the PC playing catchup to the Amiga, hey the PC can out do the Amiga in just about all major areas, like graphics, sound, games, media, and multi tasking. The things I still find irratating, are OS install time and reboots during installation, BOOT UP TIME, and untimely updates by microsucks, ever been in the middle of a game and you are finally beating the on slaught of the N. Korean troops in crysis, and you are saying yeah I got those &%$#%%$#@# beat and then your screen goes blank, a blue screen comes up with the sentence on it that reads your computer will reboot in 6 seconds to install updates and then you think back and say so thats why the game seemed slower today and then it hits you NO, NO, NO, I have to do that part all over again.

On the sleep mode, hey there are so many types of PC's and laptops, everyone is different, I may have disabled that mode in my computer when I first built it, etc. etc. etc. I mean I could dabble for hours one end in my BIOS, I have a motherboard book that is about an inch and a half thick on the things you could do with it, but there is one thing I am sure I can depent on with a PC:

1. They crash at least 3 times a night while playing fallout 3.
2. They do updates a the most inconvenient time, I turned auto off.
3. Every time I call that American company called microsucks, I get some person in India and you know they talk funny and probably say the same thing about me but you know I have them beat in being rude, yeah the old smerf still has it when he needs it.
4. You basically have to run micro soft if you want to play the newest games, it seems that the software compainies are just atuned to micro shaft. Hey software companies you ever hear of LINUX, if you started making games for LINUX I bet micro shaft would fall flat on its face, BECAUSE WE ALL HATE MICRO SHAFT and the only reason we use it is to play your stupid games, maybe we should all endorse micro shark an quit buying your stupid games for micro $$jerk.

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Karlos,

Yep, you've got it, the Amiga reminds me of a much simpler time, I can just fire up a game and suddenly it's 1989 again and I'm in the wild old days, it's nostalgia, and in a way I get the same feeling from my iPhone.  But as far as dong serious video, image or music editing, well, I wouldn't dream of using my iPhone or Amiga, all though the iPhone, no, scratch that thought...

I live in the present, I don't have time for the Amigas frequent trips to the guru, lack of software, and seriously low powered hardware when I have work to do.

Hi,

@persia,

I hear that work for you is having to turn on your computer, is that true?

Dong serious video? This sounds kinky

I still use the Amiga for some video, like when I am redoing a VHS tape, yes VHS still exists.

but

I can also do VHS onmy PC, I bought a little box for that by ADS called DVD express, rather old now about 10 years but it works great with my sync box for copying my old VHS protected tapes to DVD either on the Amiga or PC. I use the Amiga 4000 just about every day as a matter of fact is sits on the same desk as my PC and makes a great monitor stand, speaking of monitors, I can switch mine on the fly to either the Amiga or the PC so it works out really great. The PC use the DVI and the Amiga uses the VGA ports.

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Hi,

@Karlos,

Huh!

I can tell how outdated your machines are, I upgraded my computers to an Atomic frequecy timing standard about 5 years ago. My machines are very stable and very accurate. My computer clocks are right on the money, they vary by maybe pico pico second every 20 years.

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Hi,

@Amigaski,

Will you take your darn joystick and sit on it?

That should give you the greatest pleasure

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You are making an absurd claim.  PC timers also claim a certain accuracy and their crystals are subject to same conditions as Amiga timers.  And that has NOTHING to do with latency.  Latency is the hardware deviating by a few cycles from the exact point when the event was supposed to occur.

>Furthermore, the clock speed is slightly different between NTSC and PAL Amigas. For example, in a base A1200, the CPU is driven from the same clock as the rest of the native hardware and the stated clock speeds are 14.32 MHz for NTSC and 14.18 MHz for PAL.

Just answered that for someone else:

The NTSC/PAL crystals are by spec given a fixed frequency.  Now even if they deviate by one billionth or something, it's within the tolerance of the TVs and they are still considered to be at the same frequency.  You don't say my TV runs faster than yours.  Amigas use the same timing as NTSC/PAL crystals.  So I can say that CIA interrupts, Audio Interrupts, Copper lists, etc. all run at the same frequency across the board for OCS/ECS/AGA.


T = 1/F that's how you get 558ns.

Hi,

The true def for latency is:

Definition:
[noun] (computer science) the time it takes for a specific block of data on a data track to rotate around to the read/write head
Synonyms: rotational


[noun] the time that elapses between a stimulus and the response to it
Synonyms: reaction time, response time, latent period

Just thought you would like to know

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There could be any number of reasons for this. Bad application, dodgy drivers etc. However, if the machine is new, unless it's dirt cheap, it's unlikely to be down the the hardware.

Hi,

@Karlos,

I know I am a little late on this one, but this is very noticeable in Windows, on somethings it multi tasks really great on, on some things you might as well walk away from the PC until it gets done, like when I am playing fallout 3, the machine sometimes slows to a crawl, then I go to my main screen and usually Winblows is updating, very aggrevating, especially when your at a really good part in the game and then it reboots to install updates, had this problem for 2 or 3 times before this idiot got smart and shut off auto updates, don't know what is going on with this board but all I did was fire up the Amiga.org site, and my virus stopper went off like a stealth bomber being shot at by a sam missle in Iraq. Had 3 virus warnings in about 3 seconds, don't know if it was the site or somebody trying to invade through the internet. I use Avira virus checker, this was recommended by maximum pc as being one of the best for catching virus's.

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by the way I have never noticed this on Linux, or the virus's either, Linux just keeps on ticking.

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That's the sort of thing you'd expect in the Fallout universe, eh? :lol:

Hi,

@Karlos,

you bet ya!

Hey don't knock out fallout 3 man, this is one of the best games I played in years, they just came out with a new episode that i bought for my son, now he is up in Alaska. Have to wait for him to get done playing so I can.

You really need a good machine because it pounds the hardware don't you know.

Trying to finish Doom3 now while my son plays fallout, can't wait, he should be done in another day. My old slow fingers just don't move on the keypad and mouse like they used to, don't you know.

If you notice I said keypad and mouse, not joystick, the new PC's don't have a joystick port, I am working on removing it from the Amiga to put in the PC so I will have the best joystick port made to man and throw Amigaski's claim right out the windows.

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Hi,

@Karlos & Amigaski,

I am probably an idiot, but everything I found on joystick polling on the Amiga says that it operates at 1mhz. I looked at schematics, at building boards, etc. etc.etc. even checked my CD32 Schematics, I see 1mhz. Please correct me if I am wrong, also while looking at the schematics I see a diode and cap in circuit with joystick plug, could this possibly be for joystick contact bounce. I could be entirely wrong, but just wanted to see what you would say.

Sitting on a joystick so much fun, just move the sprite by wiggleing your bun

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True... But on the Amiga the hardware, bandwitch, etc... directly limits your creativity
You want to do C64 like graphics (looking in the PAST), you can, sure. But what about 3D ? Yes, you can be creative and want to do some nice beautiful 3D...

You want to do real-time HD raytracing on the PC, fine. You want to render crysis like graphics, fine.

You want to do something like that on the Amiga. You cannot. No matter you use an API or hardware banging code,... You simply cannot. Because the PC took over the Amiga since years. And there's no way it will change.

The PC wins. Over. Next thread...

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>>True... But on the Amiga the hardware, bandwitch, etc... directly limits your creativity

What are you crazy, the Amiga was the original creative computer, and when I turn mine on today it is usually because I want the thrill of being creative again, not guided like some apple fanboy, or winblows fanboy.


>>But what about 3D ? Yes, you can be creative and want to do some nice beautiful 3D...

UHHH ever hear of the Video toaster with lightwave!!!! FNG's

>>You want to do real-time HD raytracing on the PC, fine. You want to render crysis like graphics, fine.
>>You want to do something like that on the Amiga. You cannot.

Do you really own an Amiga, are you for real, you ever hear of Picasso II, IV. How about GVP IV 24.
Oh well there are FNG's in every group, I still do 3D rendering, in 24 bit high mode, the only thing is that I run my frames through a ADS DVD express to the PC where I use the PC to put it all together for a movie, this takes the Place of my video recorder, and causes no loss in picture quality. Remember the Amiga was the machine back in the 80's and 90's to do this.

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Amiga won, PC lost, again as usual. Maybe this is why Mr. Bill Gates had an Amiga 1000 on the shelf in his office, he wasn't going to quit until Winblows could do or outdo everything the Amiga could do.

Yes you can name a few areas that the PC wins, but, remember the Amiga was the first with stereo sound, the first with excellent graphics, and one of the first to do 3d rendering and do it well enough to display it in movies. The Amiga also had another advantage over PEE CEE's, when the power went out it could restart and continue the processing that it was programmed to do, can your PC do that, or do you have to turn on your PC to restart it after a power hit. I remember while going through Windows Server school the first thing they said was protect your data, backup, backup, backup. Always have 3 different backups or more that you can turn back to. Could this be because Winblows crashes so much? Could this also be why when you go into banks to make a deposit, or withdrawl they say were sorry we are unable to complete this transaction because our computers are down, could it be that all you young ones now playing with computer's know no better. I would rather retain my data then rely on a buggy, crash and bash program like winblows and in this area my Amiga does very well only one self induced major crash since 1993.

How many of you PC owners running winblows can say that?

Get Real!!!

Switch to a good OS, switch to Linux, it's easy it is free, the programs are free, and if we get enough people using it, we may even switch the support from winblows to linux. A more stable OS than winblows.

Oh I know why most of you are like Apple fanatics, we just want to turn on our computer and be guided by Mr. Jobs  on what programs to use, and make it simple so any moron can use it. The only thing we want to know how to do is turn it on, use it and turn it off.

Right Wayne, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT

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"could it be that all you young ones now playing with computer's know no better."

I also would like to see a return to wood-fired ovens. Nothing beats flame grilled.:madashell:

Hi,

With the world economy going the way it is you may soon have your wish. Just think roasting marshmellows over an open wood fire. Potatoes roasting in the hot embers, no more electricity, no more micro wave ovens, no more gas, no more electricity for stupid computers. The way the world economy is going we may all be cooking over wood fires,

GOD BLESS  AMERICA

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