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Re: PC still playing Amiga catchup
« on: May 29, 2009, 05:08:40 AM »
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Your title is a little misleading.  PCs have had split-screen, multi-monitor and PIP screen displays for years and at resolutions and color depths that put OCS/ECS Amigas to shame.  The days when Amigas made PCs look lame have long since passed.  And those who think that Amigas will somehow rise from the ashes to once again surpass the capabilities of PCs need to seek professional help/therapy.


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I am attempting to build a new Amiga type computer right now. It has a halograpic display that can display a walk around image as large as you have the room. It also has traveling 3D sound so if you are watching a band, and the band players are moving around your room with the halographic display the sound of the guitar moves with the guitar player, also as you walk around the room the sound will also be 3 dimensional along with the images. You have to watch when your playing games, because you can hit the pain switch, so if your main player gets hit you feel the pain where he got hit. Right now I am working on the smell sense so if you are watching a cooking show you can smell the food cooking, I hope to be bringing this out next week or soon as I can clear up my court case with Amiga Inc. on the trademark of the name.

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Re: PC still playing Amiga catchup
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2009, 11:57:29 PM »
Hi,

@Karlos

I don't get it.

All I know is real time, and in real time my Amiga 4000 seems to get the job done faster than a Linux machine or a Windows machine. By the time they get done booting up, my Amiga has usually completed the job and is ready for turning off. As for running processes, the Amiga usually starts to slow down after about several large processes. Still think it is a pretty good machine if you don't mind obsolete games with poor graphics. Come to think of it don't you find Amiga games run on a A4000 harder to play than a new PC with it's modern day graphics and while we are on this subject why don't Electronic Farts, Sierra or any other game company produce games for Linux. Why do they only produce for Micro Soft?

Why aren't they bringing out games for the Amiga?

By the way I like Linux to, I use Ubuntu for all my important stuff, I trust it more than crash and burn windows including XP.

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Re: PC still playing Amiga catchup
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2009, 05:02:43 AM »
Hi,

WOW!!!

What a discussion on which computer is better, this is an Amiga site of course and so by that I declare the Amiga the winner, all you Linux and Windose users are LOSERS just by the fact that you are on an Amiga site.

Lets face it a computer is only as fast as a user can use it. There is no way any of you can type faster than your machine, therefore almost 100% of you are using too much horse power for what you are using it for. Even when you play the most awesome games like fallout 3, crysis, far cry, doom 3, the computers today move much faster than what your senses can see. The only thing you are trying to do is get faster frame rates even though your eyes cannot see them, that is why most TV sets use the 22 fps rate anything above that is quite useless as far as the eye can see.

BUT

When you talk about computers you must deal with real time, stability, and the process of securing your data (the most expensive component) and I say the Amiga wins hands down, my Amiga has secured my data since 1993, its OS has been stable since OS 3.1 and has remained stable through OS 3.9, this is how I rate a computer, in real time it boots faster, loads the programs I use faster, which allows me to complete my projects faster and get done with my work faster in real time, it then retains my data, and can back up my data faster then a winblows machine, for what I do on my Amiga I don't care about color, or games because it just don't matter.

Now the only other OS that I am beginning to trust is Linux, it has shown me no problems for 3 years, and has the same fun as the original Amiga but has all the modern conveniences, it has a super update feature, simple backup (like the Amiga) and seems to have a loyal following like the Amiga did, the only thing is that the Linux fan boys seem like a bunch of snobs that don't understand how you can't see how to solve your own problems when you have one, they are the typical computer nerds that are so smart that they just don't understand why you can't solve that problem when it is so simple to them.

So based on data retention, non fatal crashes, little to no virus, spyware, and malware, and no registry I claim the Amiga the winner, it may be a tortoise but I think it still wins the race.

AMIGA FOREVER

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Re: PC still playing Amiga catchup
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2009, 05:58:18 AM »
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Ok someone ELSE who "just doesn't get it".

I don't use a P3 anymore, silly.  I know that to get a current  MS OS running as opposed to walking you need hardware 5 years ahead of the OS. BUT THE P3 WAS HARDWARE THAT WAS COMMONLY AROUND WHEN XP WAS RELEASED.  THATS WHAT XP WAS MADE TO RUN ON.  Its the hardware advancement 7 years later not the OS that improves the user experience.  You just basically poved you still can't see the elephant in the room..


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How can he see the elephant in the room when he has his head stuck up the elephants a**?

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Re: PC still playing Amiga catchup
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2009, 06:15:29 AM »
Quote from: persia;457202
My wife has throw away technology, a single core P4 @3 GHz.  It runs Vista Ultimate just fine.  You have to either image the 90% of people who buy PCs are either thick or sheep (or maybe thick sheep) to explain why the PC dominates the market.  People aren't stupid, there are reasons why people buy PCs and not Amigas.  The Amiga was phenomenal a decade and a half ago, it failed to capitalise on that superiority and was left an orphan.  They Amiga is a couple orders of magnitude out of date as far as price versus performace goes.  I can buy a gig of Ram for a PC for less money than I can buy a meg of Ram for my Amiga.

Yeah, I love my Amiga but it just feels old, the graphics are poor, the choice of software extremely limited, and a rogue program will bring the whole system to a guru because there's no memory protection.

I can't play the game and pretend it's 1992 again...


Hi,

@persia my old friend

I can't believe you said that about the Amiga, I put memory in my Amiga 4000 from all the old PC's that I threw out in the trash, my 4 gig hard drive came from an old HP, my cd drive came from an old no name computer that I built back in 1987.

Now I do find the software quite limited because no new software is being made, but I am finding the old software and getting it at real cheap prices or free, I just picked up a whole box of software from a friend at work, he was just going to throw it out along with his A500 and he had some good software that cost about $199 when it first came out. Sure the Amiga is feeling old because it is, this doesn't take the fun out of using one, as a matter of fact I am having more fun with it now than before because I can get the software that I always wanted cheap or free, and yes I do own quite a new modern PC, that plays all the modern games quite nicely. Do I use my winblows machine for important work, not really, I don't trust it to hold my important data therefore it is only used for games, I use Ubuntu Linux for my music, photo's and movies but I use my Amiga with Pen Pal to keep track of all my software, my insurance data base, and other important stuff like my check book and since the Amiga is not hooked up to the internet it is bascially free from prying eyes. Yes the Amiga is old but I will bet you that you still can't out type it.

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Re: PC still playing Amiga catchup
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2009, 04:07:41 AM »
Quote from: Trev;457107
That's an entirely arbitrary statement. My PC boots MS-DOS in less than one second (after POST, which takes a bit longer--system firmware is quite complex these days, with more features than your average Amiga). That's much faster than any of my Amigas. Is it a useful measurement? No, because there's no direct correlation between the two systems, and ...

... here's where someone argues that no one uses MS-DOS. Well, no one uses AmigaOS, either. I'd wager there are more active MS-DOS users (millions, even) than there are active AmigaOS users. If you don't believe me, then you don't spend enough time in front of embedded systems.

Everyone really does need to straighten out their definitions of real-time. Karlos is talking computer science, everyone else is talking user perception. There is no "real-time" in user perception. Humans are neat, but we have lots of built-in latency. Milliseconds have passed before I know I've pricked my finger, for example.

Personally, I can do more useful work in a shorter amount of time on my Windows system (Core i7 920, 6GB RAM, GeForce 8800 GTS 512 (G92), blah blah blah). The Amigas are just for fun.


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@trev

Sorry but my real time is real time not user perception, I mean time with stop watches doing real tasks like printing out a database, or printing out a letter. So far in three tests with both users turning on their computers at the same time, the Amiga has managed to send its preassigned letter to the printer faster than my Q6600 windows box gaming pc or my Q6600 Penquin machine. These were also timed with a stopwatch during the time of these tests (real time) no gigaflops, megaflops, bips, sips, or sh*ts  just true man hour working time from time of turn on to process complete. Of course the Amiga cannot do trillions of math calcs a second, it wasn't made for that, it was made for a home computer fanatic to print a letter or make a database. now lets talk keeping your data safe, the Amiga 4000 has had my data on it since 1993, can you say the same about your then modern 286 or 386, oh you don't have that machine yet, it is obsolete, already in the trash, well even if you did I doubt that windows 3.1 still has your data since it was well known for crashing, but lets face it PC's keep a lot of people employed for solving problems when their machines do crash. These people are called IT experts, they come to your machine and solve your problem, usually with an re-install of winblows. Now Linux is different I have not had a crash on Linux during the last 3 years, and therefore have lost no data. Even through numerous upgrades, as a matter of fact I am using Ubuntu for this post on an old Toshiba laptop running at 1.1 gighertz with a 20 gig hard drive and 384 meg of memory. Windows 7 turned it down today because it needs 512 meg just to run.

I am not an Amiga Fan Boy, I just like the machine for what it does and it still amazes me today for what it does and what it can still do with upgrades, at least it is not in the trash like most of your 286 / 386 machines, that alone should tell you something, by the way have you found a 286.org site yet.

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Re: PC still playing Amiga catchup
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2009, 03:20:45 AM »
Hi,

@Linde

So what you are really telling me is that you can type faster than your computer can display on the screen, as for working/home environment, I use my Amiga for every day tasks I have even used it in a business environment and found it quite capable for my needs without the worry of picking up virus's or the loss of data, as a matter of fact I still have some of my old data from my business still left on my hard drive from 1996.

Now lets talk about about zipping and unzipping files, the Amiga 4000 backs up my whole hard drive of 2.2 gig in about 10 to 15 minutes using lharc through diskmaster, and while it is doing it I am usually in another window playing a game or listening to some mods or sometimes both.

As for TV's I have repaired them for years, and it has only been a couple of years where they have surpassed the 22 fps rate. yes hilary TV's have finally surpassed that rate because back in the old days they came up with a motion picture standard of 22 fps because the human eye and the brain sensors interpert motion at that speed unless your adrenalin is kicked in, then even at crash speed in a car under survival conditions will the brain kick into gear in order to survive. Also you should try talking to the motion picture society on the 22 fps, its been the standard since TV's first appeared on the market.

And now for the biggie, how do you expect your computer to perform, I expect mine to perform at high speed so that I can play modern day games, I expect excellent graphics performing at high speed (even though my brain can't really interpert it) but the computer at this point feeds me more visual information even though my brain can only pick up a small bit of it thats why I use a PC to play games with, and an Amiga to do my general bookwork, like data processing, word processing, and spreadsheets on. However at that being said I do enjoy using my PC for surfing the web and the instant display that I receive while using my Q6600, with 8 meg of sli ram, and two nvidia 8800 graphic cards, with 2 250 gig sata drives, and one 500 gig sata drive, and one old 40 gig ide drive, with a dual layer dvd burner, which sometime in the near future I hope to upgrade to blue ray. I use all this power to play todays modern games at very high resolutions. Now you are probably from a country probably in Europe where they were far advanced as far a TV are concerned because they use pal at a different freq and frame rate where you are probably correct, but the US who is restricted by US laws which are quite backward and archaic I am sorry to say where stuck at the 22 fps for TV.

Now for my final part, thank you for supporting Amiga, I know it is quite archaic by todays standards but to say a person can't use it today because of its age is quite nonsense, my challenge to you is pick up an old Amiga game like Rolling Thunder and try to beat it, I haven't heard of anyone getting through all its levels as of yet, I sure haven't I have only made it to level 7 and I play that game at least once a week, PC games are made to be beat because that brings more enjoyment to the lazy dopey kids who don't know what the outside is for today, they sit in the house and play stupid computer games, some of them even meet their husbands and wives over the stupid computer today, they look like zombies and act like draculas only up at night to play stupid games over the internet.  I like football, baseball and basketball, did some hockey playing during my younger years, but today I rather be out fishing.

Sorry if I offended you by calling everyone who uses a PC on a Amiga site a Loser, but this is still an Amiga site and we all were losers when Amiga went bankrupt and we had to settle for todays sorry PC's.

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Re: PC still playing Amiga catchup
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2009, 03:36:29 AM »
Quote from: GadgetMaster;457253
Interesting discussion guys.

It reminds me of the good old days. The only difference is that those days are well and truly over.

Amiga is no longer mainstream and that is for some reasons.

PCs are mainstream and that's for some reasons.

Want to know those reasons.

It's all here:

:lol:



Seriously though, the Amiga is a nice, fun, niche, retro, hobby/home computing platform. Trying to claim it is something other than that is just plain denial.


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@Gadgetmaster,

What do you mean the Amiga isn't mainstream?   Since when?

What do you mean my wife hasn't chucked my Amiga out?
She sure did she chucked out my Amiga 1000 along with my C64 and my 128 & 128D with my big box of over 1000 C64 & 128 programs,` straight in the trash I tell ya, lucy thing my Amiga software was to heavy to pick up or she would of chucked that out too!!!

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Re: PC still playing Amiga catchup
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2009, 03:39:37 AM »
Quote from: TheMagicM;457255
Its pregant, so I'm helping extract you.  You're somewhere up in there.  LOL!!!





Call it what you want.  All I know is my system(s) run great.   Enjoy your Windows XPerience!
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@thetexasm

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good one

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Re: PC still playing Amiga catchup
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2009, 10:49:10 PM »
Hi,

@Karlos,

Ok, enough, it takes you 30 seconds to reinit your computer from leaving it on, well guess what I left my Amiga on all night, all I did was turn off the LCD, turned back on my LCD and the Amiga was there ready and waiting, but darn I had to wait for my 24 inch LCD to turn on it took a total of 3 seconds, next time I won't turn if off hate waiting for this new stuff to work.

Now, lets talk about loading in a new fresh copy of your OS,

How long does it take windblows?

How long does it take Linux?

How long does it take Amiga OS 3.1?

How long does it take Amiga OS 3.1 with OS 3.9?

AMIGA WINS!!!

Windows SUCKS

Linux comes in 2nd

The PC is still trying to catch up to Amiga

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Re: PC still playing Amiga catchup
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2009, 11:13:06 PM »
Hi,

@Karlos

NO, NO,NO

I don't mean boot times, I mean loading in a new copy of your OS on the computer, like starting with a new hard drive.

Amiga wins

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Re: PC still playing Amiga catchup
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2009, 11:19:36 PM »
Hi,

No not really. I don't think the PC is playing ketchup, but I do think that it is in a pickle, or is it that the Amiga is in a pickle, not actually Amiga Inc. is the Company that made hamburg out of the Amiga putting it in a pickle, see that Amiga Inc. can't do anything right, they put the hamburg in a pickle instead of the pickle on the hamburg, but where is the ketchup?

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Re: PC still playing Amiga catchup
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2009, 11:24:47 PM »
Hi,

@koaftder

Hey has anyone tried the boot time on CPM?

Bet is beats everyone hands down

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Re: PC still playing Amiga catchup
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2009, 01:19:17 AM »
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That depends. You might have to replace your ROM chips before you begin. You know, small things like that :D


Hi,

@Karlos,

Well!!!

You might have to flash your bios on your new system in order to get things to run correctly on XP, VISTA or the New Windows 7.

You see that Amigians are ROM CHANGERS

While you PC users are flashers, you can get arrested for that don't you know.

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Re: PC still playing Amiga catchup
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2009, 01:30:13 AM »
Quote from: GadgetMaster;509051
My Abacus didn't even need to be booted.

Beat that! :laughing:


Hi,

@GadgetMaster,

I just use my fingers and toes, my fingers go up to ten, then my toes calculate the tens this gives me a calculation up to a buck 10, and the best part they have automatic reset requiring no boot time at all, but some times my toes crash while being booted.

Beat that! :laughing:[/QUOTE]
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