The Red One X vs x1000

[danwood]

>Can I play all amiga games on these systems including aga games? Thanks. I'm pretty new to the amiga scene.

No you can't, you'd need to emulate an Amiga on them to play Amiga games, they don't have the chipset.

To be honest, if your main attraction is classic Amiga games and tinkering with the OS, you'd probably be better off with an old Amiga 1200 with a few recent expansions, accelerator, bit of ram, and a cf card full of games.

[danwood]

For playing legacy games, I find any of the NG systems a grand waste of money, and I say that as an owner of a SAM system myself.  I love my SAM, but I'd find it lunacy to buy one to try and get my legacy Amiga fix with.

For games, a lot of the time you end up having to use UAE on that fancy PPC NG Amiga to run said game, and $3000 is a lot of money to spend for a niche system when a Windows box with WinUAE is pretty much a commodity.  

Of course, many older, legacy games and programs will run natively in OS4.  Many also will not, and you'll end up having to "emulate an old Amiga on your expensive NG Amiga".  I'd have a hard time spending much money on that, but YMMV.  That being said, legacy app support on OS4 via UAE is great, just a point and click affair.

Indeed, I get the impression that cpaek72 (OP) is under the impression that the X1000 will just natively play all the old Amiga games, it's important to point out that it does not and you will need to run them inside UAE emulation, same as running them on Windows (in fact, probably not as good as Win-UAE is much superior to E-UAE).

If AGA/ECS gaming is his main attraction, then X1000 is totally wrong, hence why I suggested getting an expanded A1200.

[danwood]

Since PPC Amiga do have an 680x0 emulator and that audio can be redirected to AHI through a patch isn't PPC Amiga1 able to run games that are system friendly?

Kamelito

How many games were system friendly though?  I'd say about 99% certainly weren't, definitely nothing from the Amiga's heyday.  

If someone wants an OS4 machine then fair play to then, but trying to sell it to someone who just wants to play Cannon Fodder and Gods, and mess with DPaint is misleading and will lead to an unsatisfied customer.

[danwood]

nostalgia is what's driving me to consider a machine and not winuae. Does that make sense?

If it's nostalgia then an actual Amiga would be the machine I'd go for.  

Again it depends what you want to do, in your original post you mentioned classic Amiga games as being a bit draw.  It really depends, if you want to see what the Amiga was famous for (games, demos, legendary programs that the system is known for) then get an actual Amiga.

If you're more interested in seeing the current state of AmigaOS, and using stuff like Webkit browsers, listening to music and watching videos etc.  then an X1000 will let you do all that for a price.  But if it's the classic stuff you're interested in, get an actual Amiga.  And yes I do see the difference between emulation and the real deal.

There is plenty you can do with a real Amiga including exploring the demo scene, games and enjoying the OS.  See my video on my Commodore Amiga 4000 for a recent example: http://youtu.be/pxi47Ut1gCQ?t=16m32s

And an A1200 one if you like http://youtu.be/0_kZoYqcpB4

I'm not anti-OS/NG (I have used OS 4 in the past, and I DO use MorphOS), but I think you need to be more specific on what you're interested in so we can advise you, before you spend unnecessary money.

[danwood]

games you'll need to run UAE for (which is part of AmigaOS 4 now, via RunInUAE) - but anything else runs

This is an exaggeration, there is certainly a high percentage of non-game 68k Amiga software which does not work properly or at all on "NG" systems.

[danwood]

Even Sam 440ep can emulate A500 without a problems.

Can it?  My A1XE struggled with a lot of titles and that was 933mhz, load up something like Pinball Fantasies and see how un-smooth and jittery the vertical scrolling is.

I maintain that anyone buying an "NG" system to play classic Amiga games/titles is crazy, an A1200 with WHDLoad or an A500 with a Gotek will give you much less headaches, be more authentic and cost a lot less money.