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Offline danwood

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Re: Classic VS NG
« on: April 07, 2014, 11:24:22 AM »
Personally I'd keep your A1200, trust me, you'll miss it when it's gone - plus the classic hardware only keeps increasing in value over the years.

I think it depends what you use your machine for, and in your case I think you would benefit from an "NG" system if you spend a lot of time in the OS, browsing etc.  

Your requirements sounds similar to mine, so do what I did... keep your A1200 for old-skool games, demos, nostalgia and enjoying pushing the old hardware to the limits.  I have a MAS Player to play MP3, ACA030 accelerator with 64mb of RAM, 160 GB hard disk, Ethernet NIC, Indivision AGA II - it really is the machine I always dreamed of when I was a kid and I get a kick out of using it.

Keep the 1200 but also buy a Mac Mini G4 or a PowerMac G4 (they can be had for next to nothing) and run MorphOS for your NG needs, it's like using a high-end Amiga with graphics card, fast processor, heaps of RAM, you can watch videos, surf the web and the OS is very fast and fluid.  You can get a MorphOS setup for under  €200 easy.
 

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Re: Classic VS NG
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2014, 12:34:26 PM »
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I expect this post to devolve into a flame war in 3... 2... 1...

Can't see why, if he gets a cheap MorphOS machine or runs AROS on his PC there should be no need to sell up the A1200 setup, MOS/AROS machines can be had for pennies.   Best of both worlds then.

I'd probably sell the PCI bus and graphics cards and put the A1200 back to AGA and use MorphOS on a PPC Mac for the RTG/NG experience.  The cash he gets for those will easy cover a PPC Mac and MOS licence with plenty left over.
 

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Re: Classic VS NG
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2014, 04:58:30 PM »
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sams and x1000 "ng" better know as amiga-like= expensive harware for emulate real amiga software with a reasonable browser

"NG" doesn't just mean OS4, there are several ways to get a very similar (if not better) "NG" Amiga experience for many times less money than the X1000 or Sams - MorphOS or AROS have already been mentioned in this thread and make more sense for a user on a budget or who doesn't need a specific element that only OS4 offers.
 

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Re: Classic VS NG
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2014, 05:10:02 PM »
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@danwood - Well said, I have an old G4 tower that had MorphOS on it. Tried it many years ago. Not sure if I liked it or not. Looking at an Apple machine might have been it.

Was going to put it in another case, but now the G5 is supported I may look at that.  A mac mini is a nice size, always wanted a cube though. A shame MorphOS doesn't support it.

Well I've used Macs for years so I'm not anti-Apple, that's never bothered me - it's just a cheap way of getting a PPC motherboard really that's got professional build quality.  

I bought an A1XE years ago and after living with the DMA bugs, the USB problems, the Articia chipset design flaws, non-working onboard sound, flat battery stopping boot, spending over $200 trying to get working RAM modules that were compatible and other many other oddities, random lockups, boot failures etc. I learned my lesson and won't buy another obscure low-production numbers board like that again, moving to a PPC Mini with a more professional mass-market, thoroughly tested design and no quirky bugs was very refreshing actually.   I don't even notice it's a Mac, the machine sits under my desk so I can't see it, in my mind when I'm using it I just go into a fantasy work that it's 1999 and I'm using a Boxer or something :)

I didn't realise the 64MB Mini was that rare, mine is a 64MB version, I have heard that's the one to get though for best experience.  You might be better off with Powermac G4 or G5 though as you can just install your own GFX card.  A G5 Mac will also give you the fastest "NG Amiga" experience too, I quite like their design, considering one myself, got a great workstation look.
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Re: Classic VS NG
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2014, 01:47:02 AM »
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@amoskodare - How do you find your setup with the Sam440ep-flex? I was originally looking at that exact same spec setup. The price is about right and it appears to be the best OS4 bundle for the price.

@Rob - 3rd time round buying and selling, always get a pang of nostalgia and buy again. Loosing a lot of money doing that. Will hold on to the 1200 :-)

Not wanting to sway you too much, but as others have said, try before you buy.  I speak objectively as an OS4 and MorphOS user, a Sam 440 is too slow for me to be comfortable with at 400-667mhz and with just one PCI slot (which you'll fill with a graphics card) there isn't really any expandability over say a Mac Mini (which is more than double, if not triple the speed).  Heck, I even find my A1XE a bit too slow at 933mhz, watching the CPU meter spike up to 100% whenever I load a more than basic web page or open programs etc, even taking a screenshot sends it way up, I certainly feel the difference between my 1.5ghz mini and my A1XE.  On the Sam 440 you're not going to have much joy with video files and DVD playback.

At the end of the day, it's really down to OS4 or MorphOS, personally I use both and like Som99 above me, I also spend a lot more time in MorphOS these days, I found development on the OS4 at OS level seemed to have slowed a lot in the last year where as MorphOS has jumped 4 major revisions, most of the recent major components like Odyssey, MUI 4, MPlayer etc. all have the latest versions on MorphOS and are backported to OS4 some time later, also a big part of my "NG" experience is using old Amiga apps too, I find the ones I use regularly seem to work better and have more compatibility in MorphOS.  I also find it more stable and get less crashes, although that's more than likely down to the instability and flakyness of the A1XE board.

I will say OS4 does feel more like OS3 as it still uses Workbench, but if that's a major thing for you, you can always replace ambient with Workbench if you wanted, I personally like Ambient now I know my way around it though, Workbench feels bit basic in comparison.

No flame wars from me, you make up your own mind, but I used OS4 for years and since my A1XE got flakier over the years I was looking to replace it, for a decent OS4 experience I needed a SAm 460 or X1000, the cheapest option of which was still close to a grand.   I used OS4 daily from 2007-2011 and would have loved an X1000 but the bank balance (and the missus) ruled that one out, since getting my Mini in 2011 I've grown to prefer the experience anyway.

You would certainly be happier with a Sam 440 than a classic PPC card, but don't write off MorphOS just because you don't like the look of a Powermac G4 (which will likely be hidden under your desk anyway, or put it in a new case?) or the Mac Mini G4, not sure what limitations put you off the mini but I can't say I notice any.

Another option would be a used Pegasos 2, you can run both on that machine, iirc there's one on Amibay at the moment for 600 euro.

Just my 2c.
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Re: Classic VS NG
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2014, 09:22:23 AM »
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I bought MorphOS about a year ago and loaded it on a Quicksilver G4 to try it.  It seems plenty fast and responsive.   I haven't used it much because it was much less Amiga-like than I expected out of the box.  There seems to be software, themes, palettes, icons, etc for it, but, I haven't had time (Linux is starting to fascinate me!) to sorted thru the mass of it to find a familiar Amiga environment.  Did anyone compile a list of OS3.9 add-ons for folks like me who are easily disoriented by Ambient?

I've never tried OS4.


It's pretty old, but it may still work?

http://aminet.net/package/docs/help/AmigaWBOnPegasos