just saw the worrying Poseidon news

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1. Tjaoz bought Poseidon, but has been denied updates. This is not illegal, most products are sold that way by default. I am a registered AmIRC 2.x user. I would have to pay again to get AmIRC 3.x. This is legal. The fact that other Poseidon users are granted free updates is a matter of courtesy, NOT law.

2. The RDB code was utterly wrong and utterly illegal, no matter how unlikely it is to execute on a legitimate users machine. I felt betrayed by Elbox and their actions are inexcusable. I almost stopped working on SuperTV there and then, but that would be harming the users more than Elbox. It did stop my work on some other Mediator drivers, though.

3. It seems to me that the whole poseidon issue is the fault of both Elbox and Chris.

That is all I have to say on the subject.

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@lempkee

I have an Algor in one of the zorro slots of my Mediator 4000. Works great.

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Rassilon wrote:
(when no one had accidently activated the anti-piracy code)

This is impossible to prove since the person wouldn't know that the Elbox software was the culprit.

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lempkee wrote:
xeron:well i normally dont loose my rdbs

Neither do I. I'm not saying it happens all the time. Far from it. I'm just saying that you can't say its never happened, because its just not possible to say either way.

and to prove what did it if it happened, how can you prove it was elboxs code that did it then?

I'm not saying it is or isn't possible to figure out what killed your RDB. My only points are:

1. Elbox were wrong to include the code. It was illegal, and it was wrong. What if due to human error the checking code was broken in a future update (had the code been left in there)?

2. Nobody can say that the code has or has not been triggered by accident. It has almost certainly never ever happened, but people DO get struck by lighning and people DO win the lottery. It could have been triggered, but the person won't know what happened. All they'd know is that their hard disk stopped working.

Elbox are supposed to have removed the code now, but their reputation in my eyes is tarnished by the whole affair.

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Rassilon wrote:
But until then there is no point in Elbox appologising for something that as far as we know hasn't happened.

He wasn't asking them to apologise for the code triggering, he was asking them to apologise for the codes existance, which is known and proven. I think Chris' problem was Elbox maintaining that they had done nothing wrong.

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Rassilon wrote:
and as far as we know no-one has been a victim of it. (Yes it would be very difficult to prove anyway)

Aaaarrghh... That whole point is irrelevent since it doesn't excuse the code, and its impossible to prove either way. Stop bringing that up as if it makes it ok! THAT is the thing that bothers me.

has any triggered the elbox code to your knowledge?

Whats that got to do with anything?

I think its highly unlikely that anyone could trigger it unknowingly without resorting to unscroupulous means.

I know. I agree. This does not excuse its existance.

I just don't see why the public appology was such a big thing to CH.

I think he just wanted them to admit they were wrong.