Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 announced

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Samface, this is NOT ANN.LU! I don't know if you notived, but news stories of no relevance to Amiga get posted here sometimes. We are regularily kept up to date with the latest Microsoft blunder!

If you want to stir up this kind of argument, please take it elsewhere. The main reason I come here more than ANN, is that there are less of that kind of thing.

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Ignoring the conflict won't make it go away...

I'm not ignoring any conflict, but your kneejerk reaction to this posting is totally unnecessary! Amiga.org covers a broad range of topics, including things which are not DIRECTLY related to Amiga, like Microsofts security flaws. I think Pegasos/MOS is more amiga related than that, is it not?

If you dont like it, why not set up www.samfacesamigaincnews.com?

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Advertising the Pegasos and announcing Pegasos shows is hardly the same thing as reporting security flaws in the "enemy's" product, now is it?

No. For starters its more relevant to Amiga users. Anyway, thats enough of this argument, its just stupid!

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Samface, with regard to whether Pegasos/MOS news is relevant to amiga.org, you are not making any valid points at all, and you are contradicting yourself!

Samface said:

Advertising the Pegasos and announcing Pegasos shows is hardly the same thing as reporting security flaws in the "enemy's" product, now is it?

So non-amiga news is OK, as long as it informs us about your so-called "enemy", right?

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But anyway, Pegasos is not AmigaOS compatible hardware, MorphOS is not an Amiga hardware compatible OS, Amiga Inc. themselves is preparing a lawsuit against them, why does it "belong" on Amiga news sites and why would I not consider them an enemy of Amiga?

So, Pegasos is "the enemy", so you want to hear about it on amiga.org, right?

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I'm sorry but I still don't see the relevance of the Pegasos on an Amiga website.

Oh.... errr... what?

Just because YOU PERSONALLY don't want to hear anything about Pegasos/MOS, you think its irrelevant to Amiga users? thats bullshit! There are lots of Amiga users who want to use their existing Amiga applications under MorphOS on Pegasos. There are even more Amiga users who don't intend to use either, but ARE interested in what is happening with it.

I don't see how this could be irrelevant to amiga.org! I just dont! If you want to "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil", then just don't read the posts you consider irrelevant, because a hell of a lot of amiga.org users want this news.

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Samface said:

Anyone can produce cars and compete on the car market but not just anyone can make a volvo car. See the difference?

Thats a completely stupid comparison! You don't need to stick to a brand of car to drive on the same roads! If you drive a Volvo now, but you want a newer car, you don't have to stick with Volvo, you can buy any car and drive it on the same roads.

So why shouldn't there be a choice of systems that runs the same software? Just because theres no room for it in this tiny marketplace? Well guess what! This is the real world, and sometimes companies compete in a small market resulting in the death of one or both. Thats life, live with it.

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The IT market is the road, computer brands are the different kind of car brands. Of course they may ride the same roads but you're still not allowed to pursue the product line of another company, period.

Enough with the strained metaphores! I still think its a stupid comparison, but forget it, its beside the point.

The fact is that PEGASOS AND MORPHOS NEWS ARE RELATED TO THE AMIGA, AND PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE "MOS/AOS" FENCE (AND THOSE ON IT) WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON!

Nothing you have said has really backed up your position that it is irrelevant to Amiga users! Really nothing! It just seems to me that you are scared of MOS and the Pegasos and what they represent, so you want to hide it under the carpet!

Remember, nobody is stopping you from starting www.samfaces-biased-onesided-amigainc-only-news.com. Just don't expect many visitors!

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But, you still haven't told me why it's related to the Amiga? Or, should I just accept your opinion as is without motive simple because you say so?

HELLO? I've said several times. OK, here we go, again, in big letters so you can understand:

MorphOS runs Amiga applications. Pegasos runs MorphOS. Therefore, Pegasos with MorphOS runs Amiga applications. Therefore, Pegasos and MorphOS are technologies that are relevant to Amiga users.

Now, I don't intend to buy a Pegasos, or run MorphOS, but I am interested to know what is happening with it.

MorphOS runs the same Amiga apps as Amithlon. Do you want to ban Amithlon news as well?

With regard to "stealing the product line", why shouldn't people make products that are capable of running AmigaOS programs? Just because they'd be in competition with the one YOU want to succeed? Well guess what, lifes not like that.

Also, the legality or otherwise of MorphOS is irrelevant to this point. People want to know what is happening, that is the point of news sites for christs sake!

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Also, please note that this is not about me evangelizing Amiga Inc., it's about me critisizing bPlan and the MorphOS team's way of acting like a parasite on the Amiga market instead of acknowledging themselves as an alternative platform to the Amiga.

No its not! Its about you not wanting people to post news stories about MorphOS on Amiga news sites because you class it as "irrelevant" when it patently is relevant!

Anyway, no amount of you arguing will change the fact that the owners of the website can put what they damn well like on this site, coupled with the fact that you are the ONLY one expressing any problem with having Pegasos news on here!

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So, tell me; why would this be more Amiga relevant than WinUAE?

It doesn't have to be. I class WinUAE as relevant.

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I find WinUAE to be OK though, since they are not marketing their product as a next generation Amiga. You see, that is my biggest problem with bPlan and their methods.

This is not the point I am arguing! Whatever you think of their marketing methods, whether or not you think they are "parasites", news about this platform is relevant.

They've created an alternative platform which they claim to be an Amiga simply because it has built in 68k emulation and reverse engineered AmigaOS API's.

Where do they claim that it is an Amiga? I've never seen that claim. They are saying that they have a new OS, and have provided the ability to run Amiga applications for those that wish to migrate to it. They started doing this BEFORE there was a new official AmigaOS in the works!

But anyway, I don't wish to argue that point, all I am saying is that the news is relevant to amiga.org.

This is my final post on the subject because we're just repeating ourselves.

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OK then, granted, those two URLs prove your point with regard to claiming to be a next generation AmigaOS, but thats still no reason to exclude news from Amiga.org.

This really IS the last post I'll on the subject, because we're still just repeating ourselves.