Sam440 and USB. Does it work?

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OS4.1 supports USB1.x on the SAM board. Development on the Sirion USB stack continues, and i'm sure support will expand in the future.

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I have no experience from USB on OS4/Sam/A1

So you're basing your entire opinion on some threads where people had trouble. Of course, everyone who has had a great experience with Sirion probably didn't write about it all over the forums. Which is the problem with forming opinions about stuff you have no real idea about.

IMHO, Sirion is not perfect, but when you have supported devices, it works nicely and non-intrusively.

Sure Poseidon currently supports USB2 and some devices Sirion doesn't, but personally i don't think there is any great need for Poseidon on OS4. Sirion is improving all the time.

BTW, as an owner of an Algor, i can actually speak with experience about Poseidon. Poseidon is a great, well written, stable, quality product. But I don't miss it on OS4 at all.

Edit: BTW, the one time I did have corruption on a USB device it was due to a bug in an (OLD, and never publically released) version of CrossDOS, nothing at all to do with Sirion itself. I've never had any corruption with newer versions of CrossDOS, or when i made very heavy use of my external USB hard disk formatted with SFS.

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Of course some people have had issues with Sirion, USB is not a simple thing. People have also had issues with Poseidon.

I backed up over 35Gb of data over USB mass storage in OS4 beta many months ago, with a version of the Sirion USB stack older than that in the SAM OS4.1 beta. I had not a single issue with corruption or memory leaks.

BTW, about the memory leaks, i'd be interested to know how he measured it; the free memory figures in OS4.x can be misleading.

Edit: Having read that thread you linked to, it seems clear to me that the issue is to do with his card reader. The same user reports no problems with USB memory sticks.

USB stack never crashes for me, although i only use it with my phone and USB hard disk (no keyboard or mouse).

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Performance, Stability and amount of Supported Devices.

Performance, you have a point, until the USB2 support for Sirion arrives.

Stability, well, its perfectly stable for me and for a lot of other people.

Supported Devices. Since you seem to know all about it, why don't you post the comprehensive list of supported devices for both stacks you obviously have to hand to speak with such authority on the subject.

you can't do it as secure and stable.

Sirion is perfectly stable for a lot of people. A few threads where some people had some problems doesn't mean that everyone has issues.

Interesting that the only person in this thread actively promoting Poseidon as a needed solution for OS4.x is someone who has no interest in OS4.x, clearly has disdain for OS4.x and always wades into OS4.x related threads to point out how clearly superior their other choice of OS is (often using poorly researched, outdated or just plain wrong statements to back it up).

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Which phone do you use?

I just connect my Sony phone direct to the AmigaOne to read the card. When it connects I select Mass Storage mode, and "PHONE:" and "PHONE CARD:" pop up on the workbench. Dunno if other phones are the same.

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Oh well, I can't recommend a card reader i'm afraid since I don't have one, but i know several people do use them without issue. Maybe ask on AW.net or Amigans.net for recommendations if you don't get any here.

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takemehomegrandma wrote:
Fact is that the USB stack in OS4 has always been one of the greatest weaknesses of the OS compared to other Amiga solutions,

Your opinion.

and ever since the first pre-release up till version 4.1 it has been one of the *least* prioritized areas of development, where not much has happened during the years.

Conjecture.

A user asks about *the current* situation, and the bottom line of your answer is that it will get better in the future.

No, actually, the bottom line of my answer is that for most people it works great, *and* that it will get better (actually is getting better).

OS4 would have so much to gain from going that route

But do you even recognise that you are the only one saying that OS4 would gain a huge amount from Poseidon.

I don't even have to link outside of this thread to back up my points. In this thread there are three people with direct experience of both Sirion and Poseidon (you're not one of them), and all three basically say that yes, Sirion is slightly behind Poseidon, but it works well enough for them.

Heck, in this same thread you say that you basically base your opinion of the quality of OS4.x and OS4.x related issues purely from threads where some users have problems. Never mind that quite often those problems are solved, or that people who DON'T have problems aren't likely to randomly start threads to tell you about it.

To give an example, I've seen loads of posts from people saying "I've bought a SAM440!", and only a few from people saying "I've bought an Efika!". Using your flawed logic, I could now post claiming that it was a fact that the SAM was massively outselling the Efika. Heck, i'd even have a stronger case since people from both sides are likely to post in forums (unlike in the example above). But I wouldn't do that. Because i don't have a clue about how many either board has sold.

I wouldn't have a problem with you if you just promoted MorphOS and Efika or whatever, but its the way you wade into threads about OS4.x and throw your opinion about as if its fact, especially when you're quite often wrong. Wouldn't you be annoyed if someone jumped into MorphOS threads banging on about how it "doesn't have a TCP/IP stack" or "doesn't have 64-bit DOS functions"? Wouldn't you correct them? Wouldn't it annoy you if it kept happening?

Just about the only thing that would make this thread better would be if somehow you brought up OWB being an SDL recompile again...