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Offline Ilwrath

Re: men.... feck linux!
« on: June 30, 2004, 07:06:02 PM »
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And how many people are we talkin about, 5%, 10%? The Joe User wants the things done, and easely and AmigaOS provides that...


Actually, it's Windows, Mac, and Linux that provide what Joe User wants to get things done.  Especially when the things he wants to get done includes on-line banking, typing documents for work, etc...  It's the application support that is key to an OS, and right now, it's Windows, Mac, Linux.  In that order.  :-(

Lack of a modern browser and office suite kills AmigaOS before it has a chance.
 

Offline Ilwrath

Re: men.... feck linux!
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2004, 07:19:46 PM »
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One thing to note though is Linux isn't some magic operating system that makes obsolete hardware new again. It is possible to get decent hardware running with a modern distribution like Mandrake 9.2. Just stop all of the unneccessary daemons and turn off the graphical enhancements (eye candy) and it'll run fine.


Yes... This isn't stated enough.  Lots of times the argument is used the Linux extends the useful life of hardware, etc.  What isn't mentioned is that you can't expect the latest features to run on that older hardware.  

For the most part, if you stack up, feature for feature, a Linux build against a Windows build, the Windows build will run faster.  The thing is, Linux can be trimmed down and lightened.  But, you do have to be a more advanced user to know and realize what you do and don't need to have a useful system.  

This makes the learning curve for starting on low-end hardware even harder.  Not only do you have to learn Linux, you have to try to learn it from a build that may be either too large or too small for your situation.  

The larger distros (Mandrake, Linspire, Fedora) are very easy to learn and use.  These have graphic installers and package managers that are quite a bit better than found in Windows.  But these distros need horsepower.  And lots of it.

The smaller distros (and the BSDs and whatnot) are much more difficult, if you're new to them.  But they can run faster, because they are a little trimmed back...  So they don't need quite as big a system...  It's all a trade-off....  And finding the sweet spot is tough.
 

Offline Ilwrath

Re: men.... feck linux!
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2004, 09:04:12 PM »
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I'll contest that. I've never seen a package manager in those distros that worked properly. You always have some damn dependency problem that gets in the way. Also, people overlook bugs and obscure error messages. Mandrake drives me insane with it's endless barage of error messages (which just print errors and don't actually RESOLVE them), and the endless stream of bugs and glitches that really make Windows look stable by comparrison.


Maybe I'm just blessed by the package manager gods.  Everyone except me claims that package managers have sent them on a route straight into dependency hell, never to be heard from again.  As strange as it sounds, I've used APT, URPMI, standard RPM, and others, sometimes together on the same system, even... And no problems, outside of occasionally having to "force" a package here and there to nudge things along.  APT with the Synaptic front-end is really about the coolest setup I've ever seen.

The last time I truely fell into dependency hell was messing with updating IRIX 6.5.12 on an SGI Octane.  (While there is something inherently cool about IRIX, it has lots of paths straight to hell on many things! eeeesh!)

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MacOS should be an example of the perfect computer. Use someone else's proven OS, and just build your own desktop. I really wish XWindows would drop dead.


Actually, I don't mind XWindows, itself, that much.  It's just the idea of using it for everything under the sun that really sucks.  I wish X would be de-emphasized, and a (single) good native desktop adopted for workstation installs.  (There's no reason XWindows can't work like it does on OS X.  Have a real local desktop and just load X when you need it, dump it when you don't...)
 

Offline Ilwrath

Re: men.... feck linux!
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2004, 10:40:40 PM »
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I think Linux is a bit of a dangerous option for user 1, and there are a lot user 1's out there. For instance, installation. User 1 probably wont install Linux successfully and when they do, it wont be runing at its optimum because they will be too nervous to delve into preferences optimising things and changing settings.
Linux aint friendly, its scary for user 1.


I think Holley was meaning that User 1 could use a Linux system, if it were first configured for that user.  Say something like a work computer at the office.  User 1 should have no problem using OpenOffice.org instead of MSOffice, and Firefox instead of IE.  For user 1, installing and configuring ANY computer would be a very scary and un-optimal event.

Basically, I agree with all of these ratings.  Though, honestly, I think Mac OS X hits the sweet spot of balance nowadays.  A pretty interface for user 1, some tinker space and the ability to run many linux apps with a simple recompile for user 2, and a nice unix-like core for user 3.

I'd run a new Mac as my primary system, if I didn't have such a games addiction.