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Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #74 on: May 15, 2005, 09:57:19 PM »
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seer wrote:

And where does it say the fix makes 1 PCI slot unuseable ? They don't discuss what the HW fix is at all.

Or if you are refering to the "PCI-based IDE controller" that's is not the fix.


The website clearly states that that is the fix.

Read the comments here...it seems there is no real fix... http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=45929

Maybe that's why there is no OS4.  How can you release an OS for a hardware platform that is not stable at all?

Hey, I know where I can find a stable and cheap PPC platform: http://www.nintendo.com.au/gamecube/system/index.php
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #75 on: May 15, 2005, 10:14:43 PM »
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seer wrote:
Well, MS doesn't really care I suppose, plenty off money to spent, the Xbox was just to get into the market, they succeeded at that.

They knew very well what needed to be done for it to become a succes. Did it do as good as MS wanted/hoped ? Ask MS, only they know.


Well,  
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Todd Holmdahl, the designer of Xbox 360 chipset:

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/612/612995p1.html

"We want to design the most powerful, elegant and useful design for developers to create games with Xbox 360," said the impressively tall, lanky Holmdahl. "With the Xbox we had a merchant semi-conductor relationship. With Xbox 360 we have designed and own the chipset, so we can go to whomever we want with it. We're not paying Intel and Nvidia this time," he explained, referring to the exorbitant price paid out each time an Xbox was manufactured.


It seems they felt it was an issue.  Nobody like to lose money...NOBODY.

Also, you got any venture capital money that you can send my way to get this project going?  How can you accuse me of a troll comment when this thread is exactly about NOT using the A1 and using something cheaper, more stable and abundant?  Dare I say - I was right ON-TOPIC.
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #76 on: May 15, 2005, 11:05:10 PM »
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seer wrote:
Your plan, your needs, your ideas, you get the money and work it out. Nobody NOBODY is willing to gamble on your idea. If anybody did, you wouldn't be here crying I want OS4 on Nintendo.

Go to a bank, or a VC. Give them your business proposal (You do have one do you ?). See if they want to gamble with you. I highly doubt that.


Enough current Amiga owners cried out and suddenly OS4 and the A1 were born.  If enough cried for OS4 on Nintendo or Xbox 360 or PS3, something would happen.  Me doing it by myself has been discussed already and is a dead issue.

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Because it was trolling. "There is no OS4, A1 hardware is buggy. The fix is useless". Talk to the A1 owners, most of them are happy wth their "unstable" boards.

You don't even know what the fix is. You believe it's a PCI IDE controller.


I know there is a PCB workaround.  But there are comments that state that even that isn't 100% stable.  So that is where the IDE pci card solution came in.

One of the comments:
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Cache misses aren't the DMA bug, data corruption is. The VIA's chipset only uses a small segment of the full DMA capability, which limits the data corruption which occurs over it. Now, the SiI chip uses the full DMA spectrum, which causes more data corruption.

Even today people STILL don't grasp what the MAI problem is. It isn't a cache miss, it's data corruption

I mean if you never use the ethernet port on the A1 then I guess you never come across the bug...so much for having an internet capable machine...  As far as A1 owners that are not running OS4, I'm sure they have Linux drivers for another 3rd party PCI NIC that lets them use an ethernet port and the IDE without data corruption...  It just isn't an option for the potential OS4 customer as no other drivers exist for OS4.  So while the A1 may be an excellent Linux platform, I don't see it as a good OS4 platform.

Something has to change.  It seems that it's the A1 that has to change.  If Eyetech has to go out of it's way to design a brand new mb (actually they didn't even design th A1, MAI did), why not use something that already exists and is stable: Nintnedo Gamecube.  Eyetech can design the "GBA Player"-like addon that will give you IDE ports and the like...  One without a 'DMA bug'.

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That doesn't say MS or even Holmdahl think that making a loss on the Xbox was an isue.

Holmdahl simply stated that Intel and Nvidia aren't getting money. The good reporter then added that Holmdahl is supposedly reffering to the "exorbitant price"..


There are plenty of well-published articles about how MS tried to renegociate their contracts with Intel and NVidia.
http://news.com.com/2100-1047_3-5061321.html?tag=fd_top
I guess it lawsuits are always a non-issue to Microsoft.

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Oh, perhaps you can contact Acill. At least he was willing to put his money were his mouth was, getting OS4 ported to the Pegasos2. To bad the red trolls made it impossible. Maybe you can convince him in an port to nintendo


Well, I don't know who the 'red trolls' are but maybe you could refer Acill to this topic then.
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #77 on: May 15, 2005, 11:43:56 PM »
@seer

All I can say is if you don't support this topic then why bother posting in it?  If all the anti-topic messages were removed from this thread, I doubt it would exceed 2 pages and may have died along time ago.  This thread contains 8+ pages of trolling.  Sadly, this is the norm and not the exception for new/different ideas...

I am on my way to having a GC-Linux setup.  All I am missing right now is Datel's MaxDrive & Phantasy Star Online 1&2.  I already have an ethernet adapter and ps2 keyboard adapter for my gamecube as well as 4x and 16x memory cards.  Maybe I could get a second ps2 adapter and plug in a ps2 mouse...the cube has 4 ports afterall.  So while I am moving forward in some areas, I am limited by both time and money.

People who do this for a living (Hyperion & Eyetech) are not.  Also, legally speaking, I can't modify any OS4 code to run on the GC.  Again, this boils down to Hyperion.  Maybe they could open-source their HAL, while leaving the rest of the OS closed.  If someone could write a HAL for multiple PPC platforms, then they could expand their market.  However I believe that they are legally obligated to the A1 and are just waiting for it to crash and burn before they release OS4 on another platform.  

It's a theory but is there another explanation for a product that was "95% done" 2 years ago to not be released.
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #78 on: May 16, 2005, 12:50:21 AM »
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seer wrote:

Excuse me? Are you saying that Hyperion has the time and money to port OS4 to a Nintendo console ??


Well, were did the time and $ come from to develop OS 4 in the first place?  They can allocate time and money to it like before and are the only legal developers.

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According to Hyperion and Amiga Inc, OS4 is allready running on non A1 or Classic PPC Amiga's.


in beta...  Again it boils down to being able to release a stable product.  How can you release a product where using the ethernet port and IDE at the same time can randomly cause data corruption?  It's Russian Roulette.  And it looks like it's the hardware that needs changing.  Change it.
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #79 on: May 16, 2005, 04:15:05 AM »
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Waccoon wrote:
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Eyetech can design the "GBA Player"-like addon that will give you IDE ports and the like... One without a 'DMA bug'.

How much will that cost to design, test, certify, and manufacture?  Even a simple PCB for an A1200 may cost several hundred to materialize.  Are you considering this when you spew prices?


If I can buy a full PC motherboard for $50, and a GBA Player for $50, I don't see why this couldn't be reasonable in that price range either.  A PC motherboard (afterall) includes parrallel, serial, IDE and USB ports...not to mention alot of other stuff that wouldn't be needed on the GC (cpu socket, on-board sound, onboard ethernet, ram sockets, etc ...)

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All I can say is if you don't support this topic then why bother posting in it?

Because we're all tired of your fanboy B.S. and the fact you keep bumping your own thread just to keep yourself in our faces.  This thread isn't long because lots of people are interested -- it's because it's friggin' old.


LOL, the main anti-topic troll strikes again!

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Hyperion doesn't want cheap hardware, or else the buggy MIA board would never have been chosen in the first place, and they would have used off-the-shelf hardware which is far better suited for expansion.  Nintendo would never agree to sell themselves cheap to support a dead computer with no real plan for the future.  Amiga doesn't care about OS4.  Developers would have to pay for their tools if Nintendo was officially involved.  Code written for Gecko would not run on other PPC devices without porting or re-compilation.


How do you know what Hyperion wants?  I think what they want is a working/reliable target platform with an eager user base.

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You're also basing your prices on hardware that's either bought used on E-Bay, or several years old.  That's not a good way to build a profitable market.  Nintendo would see that right away if Amiga proposed the idea.


I gave new prices originally.  I have bought used goods because it makes sense.  Actually, the only thing I've bought used was the ethernet adapter.

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OS4 on GameCube will not happen.  Let it go.


Instead of trying to convince me to let it go, why don't you just go away?

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I am on my way to having a GC-Linux setup.

I thought you said you had no interest in Linux.  Shouldn't you give Linux a test-drive on your own computer before gearing up to run a raw kernel with limited functionality on your 'Cube?


I have no interest or like for Windows but use it everyday.  Besides, seeing as how a site I maintain is running on a linux server that a friend and business partner set up.  I am forced (in a way) to use it.  Actually, I am not fond of running XAMPP on my Windows machine ontop of everything else...so I was thinking of using the GC as an Apache server running MySQL and PHP.  I am working on the database end of a project we are involved in together.  Also, he also wants me to learn how to set up a linux server in order to help him in other areas.

Also, the newest version of the GC-Linux port supports network drives.

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Well, a second option is to not use IDE devices at all.  That would make the AmigaOne work very much like a GameCube.  :-)


Or you could have just bought a gamecube and saved $800.  :-)
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #80 on: May 17, 2005, 01:47:35 AM »
I gave both the new price of $99 and the use price of $60 at EB.  Classic troll misquote...  An ethernet adapter is $35 new, I think I paid $26 or $29.  Wow.  The point is, as is the topic - REAL CHEAP.  Stick with it sometime.
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #81 on: May 17, 2005, 01:48:50 AM »
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seer wrote:
in beta... Again it boils down to being able to release a stable product.

I was refering to the "fact" that OS 4 is allready running on other hardware then the A1 because of your are just waiting for it to crash and burn before they release OS4 on another platform. line. That OS4 is beta has nothing to do with that.

Anyway, most OS4 Beta users think is ready for release.


Guess what, the A1 just crashed and burned. :-D
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15819
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #82 on: May 17, 2005, 05:16:29 AM »
@coldfish

Yes, that's well known but it wasn't a relationship that soured over time like MS & NVidia.  Nintendo is using a dual-core ATI RN520 with 16MB of eDRAM created by a separate development team than the 360 chip.  The second core includes some proprietary Nintendo stuff, i.e. the 'N' in 'RN'.  Also, a source that has yet to be wrong states that Nintendo's online community plans surpass that of XBox Live 360.

Also, rumor has it that Nintendo will speed up load times on discs my spining the read heads instead of the disc.
also more juice...
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Silicon Knights is not developing for the Nintendo Revolution right now. They will show off some Xbox 360 games at E3; I can confirm that. Matt saw the game, and he knows what they are up to. Once he is able to talk about it, he will reveal his information to you.

Like I said, I know as much about Resident Evil 5 as you do. I would guess it is going to be a current generation game. If Capcom could have it ready for the holidays (to combat the Xbox 360), it would come out then. But that’s just my own speculation (and hope; RE4 is amazing).

I can confirm that Nintendo is currently working on many Revolution titles. Most are just in the planning stages, but I have seen video of seven. I’m sure at least three or four of these games will be at E3 in video form. Perhaps more; we will see at E3. Outside of our game, there are six 3rd party games that I have heard of. As I mentioned earlier, Square Enix (happy now?) is developing a new game for the Revolution. EA, Sega, Zoonami, Namco, and Activision are currently working on games.

3rd party information:

EA is playing around with the Revolution’s capibilities, implementing them into another Madden game. This isn’t really news though. From what I’ve heard, they are really going out of their way to make this more than just a port. Voice controls are being used to the max in this title. Calling out audibles will be used this way. The wireless capibilities of the system are also going to be used. Like I said, there will be no reason to buy Madden for the Xbox 360 when the Revolution version comes out.

Sega is developing three games for the Revolution that should be at E3. I’m not going to reveal too much on what they are up to for obvious reasons. The three games I listed does not include the game we are developing for them. You will be very suprised at what they are doing. I’m sure you have heard of the Xbox 360 title Condemned that they are working on. This game is something that many wouldn’t expect Sega to make; you won’t expect what you will see at E3. The other game they have is a typical, quirky Sega game. It’s very interesting in the sense that it uses all the system’s capibilities.

Zoonami has already given out some hints on what they are working on. I have always felt that Sam Fisher is a much better character than Solid Snake. Zoonami just might have some characters that are better than both of them.

Namco is working on a Revolution game, but I don’t have details on it. I am sure that it is not a Soul Caliber III port. I don’t see why they just won’t add online play and Link and Ganon to the game and release it as a launch title. That would be a very smart move.

Activision is working on some ports for the Revolution. You will see what they have for the Xbox 360 at E3. At least one of these games will be ported to the Revolution for its launch.

On 1st party information:

Like I said, I have seen seven Nintendo titles, some of which will be at E3. When the DS was launced, it had one sub par 1st party game. This will not be the case with the Revolution’s launch. If they were to release all the games I’ve seen at launch, it would easily be the best launch ever for a console.

I can confirm that Nintendo is working on a new, orignal Mario game. In my opinion, the last few Miyamoto games havn’t been that interesting. This will change with this game. Like Mario 64 for the N64, this game will introduce all of the capibilities of the console. It will use the pressure sensitive controls mainly, but the voice controls as well as gyroscopic controls will be used as well. From what I saw, this game will use mini games to introduce many of these schemes. All of these mini games could be released as stand alone games.

A new Super Smash Bros. Melee is in the works as well. This game will demonstrate the online functions of the Revolution. Nintendo has added many new things into the game, included a deeper combat system. Many more special moves are included as well as some very cool suprises. The levels will include some destructible environments, and the characters will be fully customizable. Want to play as Mario in his 80’s outfit? Or would you prefer the 90’s look? It’s your choice. The most innovative part of the game is the different modes. In previous games, you were allowed to play in giant mode, metal mode, small mode, etc. That has changed. You will be able to choose to play in a “Paper” mode (a la Paper Mario), a cel shaded mode (Wind Waker), or Viewtiful Joe-esque mode.

As I said earlier, Retro is working on a Halo killer. This game is going to be one of the best games at E3. In my opinion, StarCraft was the best RTS ever. This game is going to use some similar ideas. In most FPS, you play as a hero trying to save the day. In Retro’s game, they allow you to choose which storyline you want to play, just like StarCraft allows you to play as Terran, Zerg, etc. Biological weapons will play a major part in the game. Imagine fighting in a chemical plant, where toxics are stored everywhere. By shooting them, you emit the toxic. If you get hit by this stuff, many different things may happen. For instance, you may lose sight on the screen, your controls might be inverted or slowed down, etc. Or, if your character gets the fever, the controller might get hot. Very hot. The alien races are very interesting also. You will be able to switch to 3rd person in order to move faster (similar to running in Odd World: Stranger’s Wrath). You will be able to “impregnate” human players by grabbing on to them for a certain amount of time. This will implant a NPC in them, which will burst out at your command, instantly killing the human player. You will then be able to use voice control to command the NPC.


Nintendo will not be out done at E3 tomorrow (actually today, it's after midnight here already).
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #83 on: May 17, 2005, 05:53:38 AM »
Nintendo has alot of money, and finally they are throwing it around. As Reggie stated once, Nintendo actually paid for the development kits for the DS and sent them to certain developers. They are doing the same thing with the Revolution. Many aquisitions are going to be revealed at E3.

I would say the development world is very excited about the next generation of consoles. As I talk to people, I get the sense that everyone wants to explore this new territory. Everyone wants to make the next Super Mario Bros. With respects to the Revolution, there was some hesitation to develop for it. Now, everything is different. As you all know, the development costs for the Xbox 360 are very high. The same can be said of the PS3, although it is easier to develop for than the Xbox 360. But with the Revolution, everything is cheaper and easier to navigate. All the features I mentioned greatly expand what we can do with games. People are looking forward to this machine, don’t worry.

A new Wave Race is in development, and it should be at E3. Many people wrote off the Gamecube as a weak, baby console, but the Wave Race game on it proves that it is very capible. The water effects in that game are amazing; they still look very good today. With the new Zelda and the water in it, Nintendo is again showing how good they are at what they do. But I think this Wave Race is going to top everything out there in respects to graphics. It is going to be the GT of water racing games. You will be able to around in many different levels, all of which will sport many obstacles for the player. For instance, one early design I saw had a racer avoiding enormous cruise ships, which could destroy your speeder if you got too close to it.

One of the more interesting games I saw was a totally new IP. Outside of Geist, Nintendo has never really worked on a “mature” game. This all is going to change. They are working on a 3rd person action game that is very, very interesting. When Ninja Gaiden came out, I remember hearing that Aonuma was really into the game. I found this very interesting, but I didn’t take much interest into the story. Later, one of my co-workers showed me what he was working on. Nintendo, along with Hideo Kojima, are working on a futuristic action game. There is a reason why Kojima isn’t directing the next Metal Gear game. He’s been working with Nintendo on this game. In many ways, it reminded me of a apocolyptic, futuristic version of Zelda and Ninja Gaiden mixed. The earliest ideas I heard involved a cult of humans (humans are near extinction) who are menacing a cybernetic country. In the game, humans were almost wiped out by a race of higher beings, who then created cybernetic humans to take their place as rulers of the planet (not earth). The main character is one of the synthetic robots. Very, very interesting. I only got to see this one time, and I pray it will be at E3.

Camelot is not working on a new Golden Sun game. They are not woring on the DS either. Before I left Nintendo, they began working on the Revolution. They are working on creating a new RPG to combat Final Fantasy, which is strange. Square Enix is working on an RPG for the Revolution’s launch, so I don’t think Camelot’s game will be a launch title. If Square Enix leaves Sony (which is not a big if), they could possibly rejoin with Nintendo. Or they could wind up with Microsoft, but I doubt that.

Nintendo is really doing something special with the Revolution. This is a system that will appeal to all gamers, and developers will find it pretty easy to work on. I think it is going to be very successful, especially in Japan. The Gamecube has been a failure over seas. The Revolution should do much better, mainly due to the fact that it will correct many of the mistakes made this generation. There will not be a sub par Luigi game at launch. The system isn’t going to resemble a purple lunch box either. But in my mind 3rd party suport was the biggest reason the Gamecube failed. I don’t see any reason why developers would shun the Revolution. If it is able to sell, it will be supported. Like I said earlier, it will have the greatest launch titles ever seen on a console.

Like I said earlier, Nintendo is watching Sony very closely. They do not think that the Xbox 360 is going to be a competitor next generation. As many of you have probally heard, Microsoft is going to launch the Xbox 360 in November. Nintendo has plans on releasing the new Zelda game on whatever date Microsoft chooses. I have also heard rumors that Sony is planning on doing something similar. Apparantly, they are going to release Final Fantasy 12 in Japan to combat the Xbox 360 launch. I actually think there is some truth behind this rumor, but I could be wrong. I think Nintendo is making a mistake by not taking the Xbox 360 seriously.

Despite being the most financially successful company this generation, many people feel that Nintendo is close to their demise. There is no denying that the Gamecube underpreformed this generation, and many gamers have lost faith in Nintendo. But I am confident this is going to change at E3. Last year, all gamers were exicited beyond belief after Nintendo showed the Zelda trailer. A few months after that event, the spirit of optimism began to die down as Nintendo fell back into their old ways. At GDC this year, the optimism was rekindled again. When E3 closes its doors later this year, we are going to see a level of glee and happiness that hasn’t been seen in many years. I would dare say that most if not all gamers love Nintendo deep down, even if they do not show it. These feelings will be brought to the surface after E3.

I doubt the Revolution will use a keyboard. I can confirm that it will not use a mouse though. The gyroscopic functionality of the system allows for a level of control similar to that of a mouse. This function will be used to navigate the Revolution’s “homepage”. If you have ever used a mouse with gyroscopic technology, you will be familiar with this.

The fact is that the Revolution is going to steal the show at E3. The Nintendo Revolution will use wireless controllers. The controller will incude gyroscopic and pressure sensitive capabilities. The Revolution will also have a very advanced for of voice control; a headset will allow gamers to use this function. The Nintendo Revolution will also contain a very detailed online service that will allow gamers to chat and play with each other. Nintendo will use this service to provide previews, demos, and exclusive information with gamers.
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #84 on: May 17, 2005, 06:14:50 AM »
Disclaimer: I copied that text from the Broken Saints Blog.  Specifically the poster Aries.  He has yet to be wrong.

Supposedly the controller will be able to heat up...
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #85 on: May 17, 2005, 06:15:49 AM »
All will be answered in a few hours...
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #86 on: May 18, 2005, 01:02:49 AM »
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strobe wrote:
lou, nobody on this forum has the AOS4 source. Nobody on this forum has Hyperion's ear. Posting on a forum isn't going to change anything.

Only a business plan with $$$ is going to get Hyperion to do ANYTHING. They wouldn't be able to do anything without money in the first place.

You could put a bounty up and I doubt you could raise $100.

Pitch this plan to Hyperion. When it falls on deaf ears, drop it.

Amiga is just a hobby platform these days. If you know how to code you could port AROS to the Game Cube, perhaps creating an alternative to the official platform's dismal state of affairs. A cheap platform with a free OS which isn't subject to a bunch of untrustworthy companies which are liable to die when the wind changes.


Yeah, doesn't it seem like anytime a deal is struck somebody goes out of business?

I will look into AROS at some point...

I just feel that Hyperion may want some return on investment and the only way for that to happen is to release OS4 on some platform...

I mean if Hyperion decided that OS 4 was to be ported to the GC and no future A1 edition would be released, then everyone who would have bought an A1 (but hasn't yet) will now buy a GC to run OS4 because they WANT OS4, which was the only reason to buy an A1 in the first place.  Well, the A1 is dead.  I guess we will have to wait and see for an announcement from Hyperion.  How many people actually have A1's?  Maybe they saw the writing on the wall and have already begun a port...but to what platform?
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #87 on: May 18, 2005, 02:46:21 AM »
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strobe wrote:
PowerBook?  :banana:


Yeah, well, everyone's gonna want it for whatever they already own...right...
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #88 on: May 19, 2005, 01:57:20 AM »
Pic of Revolution's GC controller and memory card interface.  Seems like mounting it horizontally would work better in this situation.

http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/615/615030/img_2795077.html
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #89 from previous page: June 09, 2005, 08:37:24 PM »
ok how about on PS3 then...  HyperionMP dropped some hints as does this article:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/09/news_6127219.html

funny how this guy from Sony re-itterates what I've been saying about NETWORK drives...

and the guys at gc-linux.org have a DVDplayer library now so you will be able to burn 3" dvd's and have the GC read it.