One unified OS for the future?

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Let's stop advocate stuff that simply aint gonna happen. It's better to strive for better cooperation in areas we actually have a shot at succeeding.

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That already exists as far as I know, but it is up to each individual developer to decide which platforms to support, or to allow others to port his work to different platforms than the one(s) he has written his work for.

INDIEGO Appstore seems to cather for all platforms. AmigaStore focuses 100% on AOS.
Ill let people with expirience with INDIEGO Appstore give details.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FhieAkeh2M&list=UUUzG5OUZ3TNHSzjab9ENVjg

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Yasu sorting us both out I see ^^

Matthew alluded to he might look into getting a minimized version of AmigaStore to work for the lower end Amigas (68030 range or lower?).
At the moment he mentioned the Store to run crippling slow on even a 060.

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matt3k; I did actually link your post to Olaf (AROS), commenting "good post, but it will never happen".

I left the Amiga Classic platform when I joined the army in Norway mid 95s, and suddenly 10-14 years passed until I started browsing Amiga forums again. I was kinda suprised about the fragmatation and the relative hostile tone some had (and still have). But I think its the loud minority tbh. Maybe I shouldnt have been suprised. When people have no news or anything to do, people get frustrated and that energy seemed to be turned inwards.

For the most part I try to stay away from the noise, and actually find myself posting private messages more than public posts

Anyhow, I think AOS, AROS and MorphOS have been developing their own teams for so long that I dont see anyone willing to give up their vision. Cant say I blame them tbh, given the amount of effort they have put in.

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Regarding MUI, if its becomes a part of the requirement of the low end AmigaStore, then either;

1) Include MUI in the install archive of the Store
2) Make it very clear, with instruction where to find it and how to use/install it

MUI is "standard" for old users, but for returning people like myself when a program refuses to run because it wants xyz file/program as a basis, its not as apparent where and how to go about it.
Going to OSdepot or Aminet you have tons of directories and subdirectories. If you know the name or close to it, you can search, only to find 10 files with similar names etc.
People usually figure it out by asking around on forums, but why not make;

"Installing stuff on amiga for dummies" a standard assumption when making programs
Idiegogo storefront PDF that Pascal just posted was an excellent example about how instructions should be made.

This is not just a comment regarding AmigaStore, but more in general
Ofcourse, Epsilons blog have kinda set the standard in that regard.

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I wonder how you got your Amiga online, because...

1) AmigaOS 3.1 comes without TCP/IP stack
2) AmigaOS 3.9 comes with TCP/IP stack but it is on CD-ROM

Just wondering

What Yasu said ^^

I got USB for my A1200 (thanks for excellent product Jens), so the urge to get online dropped radically. Kinda doubt getting online and browsing for files will be as efficient as using a USB stick.

I tried for a few hours getting online, but with the USB method, the motivation wasnt very high.

EDIT; and I agree, AmigaStore aint very useful unless you get online. Id say the motivation would go up getting it sorted, but I suspect Matthew got his hands full with the current release for a long time.

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when you have something portable you are not betting, only if you set everything on one platform without any chance to change direction (like Hyperion and MorphOS team did)

Not sure its so much "betting" per see by Hyperion/MorpOS. Not sure if they ever had/have any illusions to be a whole lot more than a niche product/OS.
If there are enough people that for various reasons stick around AOS/MorphOS, its probarly enough to keep small buisnisses alive. And I guess people like you just enjoy the challenge of dabbling with unique OS's regardless of how competative they are.

I find myself nodding when reading Thomas's posts. I dont see X86 platforms vanish any time soon. Then again, with the highlevel languages the hardware platforms doesnt seem to matter a whole lot. Or?
More and more of the people around me move slowly away from the huge stationary any selfrespecting nerd got, and moving towards laptop at most. And to increasing degree Pads take over (with some connectivity for keyboards).

I cant really see AOS changing away from their direction, tho Im pretty sure many of us would sign up for an x86 OS version since "everyone" got such a machine.
Considering the amount of money the loyal users/customers have sunk into their "NG" machines, I doubt AeonKIT or Hyperion would consider ...annoying their prime userbase.
You could maybe argue that you would tap into a much bigger customerbase if you moved AOS onto mainstream x86, but I assume it takes less effort and resources to stick with the current path.
Would be intresting to see if AmiKit could make a streamlined AOS4 installation to make a Emulation of "NG" for dummies. Might boost sales even more beyond the step by step deals you have to go thru now (at the mercy of Toni's intrest in developing+Rom file issue).

Very intresting and informative thread/discussion.