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Re: Surface 3 - New direction, higher prices and crappy i3
« on: June 07, 2014, 12:22:51 PM »
With regards to Windows;

Ive used Windows 2000, XP and Windows 7 +vista on my old laptop.

The last few months Ive been using Windows 8 on my main Stationary, and I find that is getting more frustrating to use over time.
Windows 7 I find easier to navigate, tho the search function of Win 8 is quite powerful and useful.
I share the misgivings of the people missing the Start button/menu.

I was sitting here today wondering if I should take a few hours off my day and reinstall Windows 7 on my computer, but decided Id rather just do a "how to make win 8 feel like 7" session instead.
Installed Classic Shell, which give you the start button, and already now I feel much more comfortable. You can also disable the Metro screen. Pure bliss.
So, for now Win 8 will remain on my main computer, but overall I dont really like it.
Hopefully the simple addition of Start Menu will fix that impression.

I have several friends that are quite heavy computer users (IT workers) and they enjoy Windows 8, so its a personal preferance.

For me it seems like the rule of every second incarnation of windows is Great and the following complete rubbish holds true. So I cant wait for Windows 9 :)
Tho, I suspect the rise of Steam OS and Linux in general will eventually push me in that direction.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/183445-windows-8-start-menu-resurrection-delayed-until-next-version-of-windows-in-2015
 

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Re: Surface 3 - New direction, higher prices and crappy i3
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2014, 03:46:53 PM »
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Don't tell the masses the truth, they hate that!  :)

Yes, you can turn Metro off entirely, people.  Easy peasy, a couple clicks.  I don't begrudge anyone disliking W8, but the witch hunt stuff is just hysterical.

YOU CAN OPT TO NEVER SEE "METRO" AT ALL AGAIN ONCE YOU DEFAULT TO DESKTOP MODE.  :)


Yep, and getting metro back on again is supereasy too incase you need it back for whatever reason.

Btw Duce, you cant ever post again since you have reached .:Posts: 1,337:. ^^ :-D
 

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Re: Surface 3 - New direction, higher prices and crappy i3
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2014, 05:10:12 PM »
Since the buddy that gave me Win 8 for free praised it (and hes a IT worker that is exposed to it all day at work) I decided to give it a fair chance. I wanted to "get used to it" like he said I would etc.
I can see why he has gotten into the Win8 flow since hes exposed to it around the clock and as such will get hang of the shortcuts.

Maybe because Im a causual user Im "lazy" and not intrested in learning new GUI/processes.
It would probarly take even longer for me to get fully used to Win8, but as it is, I just found it increasingly annoying.

As for Classic Shell; since I just installed it a few hours ago I cant vouche for it yet, but my INITIAL impression is favorable.
When I wanted to start a program or game I dont want to search the metro screen for it. I dont want to type a few letters in the seach box. It feels cumbersome, for me atleast.
When I want to uninstall a program or start some secondary file of a program/game that is not the "main" exe file that windows/metro displays, I feel required to make a shortcut on desktop etc.
With the startbutton I just put up everything I need and its 1 click away=quick access.

Ive had discussions with my IT worker buddy and he explained why and how he enjoy Win8 over Win7, and I tried to emulate his user pattern somewhat. It just didnt "work" for me :)

So basically I want the Start button! I even enjoy it on AmiKit/Classic Workbench. Some call it a bastard import to Amiga, but I PERSONALLY find it userfriendly. You could stick to the Amiga pulldown menu programs that was popular back in the early 90s, but what works for some, doesnt for others.
 

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Re: Surface 3 - New direction, higher prices and crappy i3
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2014, 09:27:28 AM »
I can see Win 8/Metro being quite usable on a Tablet. I got a Ipad and those slidable icons like Metro got is userfriendly from that point of view.

From my POV the Metro menu doesnt translate as well to non-touchscreen desktop enviroment.

It doesnt make Windows 8 a bad OS, it just means a tool might be perfect at some tasks, while "useless" at others.
I dont really see the big deal with that.

Now Ive used the Classic Shell for a whole 24 hours, and I really enjoy it. By the looks of it, Win 8 will stay on my machine. (Classic Shell substituted the Metro button with Start menu button)

EDIT; So, tried the App Store, and now Windows insist I use the hotmail password to logon to my computer, not the custom admin password I made when Windows 8 was installed. Odd and annoying.
Maybe I should have KNOWN this would happen, but I cant really say I asked or was told by the OS that this would happen. Im sure there isnt anything "bad" that happens cause of this, but I personally dont like
programs/OSs taking "artistical freedoms" in giving you features you didnt explicitly asked for.
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Re: Surface 3 - New direction, higher prices and crappy i3
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2014, 05:53:09 PM »
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If you run Windows Store Apps you will need to run the modern interface.  Windows Store Apps do not run in the Desktop.  You can see them in the task bar and pin a shortcut to them but they actually run in the modern interface.  It's still two headed, though not as confusingly so.

The Windows Store has you sign up for an account, in the same way Apple's App Store does.  That's why you sign in with it, it wouldn't make any sense to sign into the store with an account that is local to your computer.


Yes, my iphone/pad require me to give the app store password to buy/download apps, but to actually access the device (phone/pad) in the first place you have to enter the custom password you have detailed. Basically its several password layers. With win8 you enter one password and everything opens up.

Im sure you can customize it, but thats how it pans out initially. I just spent 30 minutes looking around for how to edit it, and disabled one drive and logged out of the store.
Im generally quite biased against Clouds. I prefere local storage if I got the choice.

So far Windows 8 seems to be a gamers paradise, since they require the latest grapichs libraries/drivers for the fanciest performance. I do play games at times, but lately for the most part not. Only got the old Homeworld series left on my drives, and they dont require updated OS. With the deletion of pretty much all games im left with only productivity/office software, which actually makes me consider to revert to Win 7. Again; cause i really dislike the increasingly seamless introduction of cloudbased storage which makes me question my data security level; both personal and general.