X2000 or sue ... your comments

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Why?

Is this "MUI4" for OS4 the "MUI 4, like MorphOS already has" that SSolie promised?

Please compile Ambient with no source changes whatsoever before answering that though.

Is os4 mui 4 required to be identical or are ssolie being interpeted based on what we think vs what he planned in the first place? I guess any inconsistency in the OS implimentation makes him a liar. Lose-lose situation regardless.

A bit puzzled over this morphos vs os4 slapfest.
Each to their own. Kinda like when i had the c64. Still enjoyed civil discussions with amstrad and spectrum owners.

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Well what sort of contract does A-eon have when it comes to Hyperion?

 Surely, any professional business would have clauses that would require Hyperion to meet their deadline? Perhaps A-eon's should stop making excuses and start fighting for those who have invested in the X1000 so they can have a fully non-beta machine!

Not meeting socalled "deadlines" isnt unheard of. Both Valve and Blizzard for example got the "its released when its done" mantra down to a science.
Considering the amount of manpower they got compared to Hyperion, I dont think its suprising
development pace is slow on AOS4. A fact that wasnt/isnt much of a secret for anyone frequenting both this and other Amiga related forums.

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I fully agree.

I think it's inderstandable if they want to implement a framework to make it easier to port and maintain modern MUI apps like Odyssey and mplayer etc, but there is more to MUI4 than the those classes. AFAIK, MUI4 meant big rewrites of the MUI internals, it was developed by Stefan Stuntz from 2006 and onwards. IMHO it's a bit unfortunate to call something "MUI4" if it would indeed be "MUI3.9 with a select set of new classes". That would he confusing.

If not outright misleading.

Is the release an improvement over the old version?