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Re: Where are the decent scifi series?
« on: June 03, 2004, 02:28:27 AM »
Oh, don't get me started!
there are so many excellent writers and stories - Harlan Ellison, Friz Lieber, Blish, Asimov, etc etc etc
and all Holly-Crappy-wood wants to do is make formula, predictable s.h.i.t.

yawn!

I did enjoy B5 because Joe sure made a effort to write stories about charaters. and harlan was in the background giving advice.

one of the reasons I got an amiga was because I could see the possibilities for making science fiction using such a tool. maybe someday.
I mean, I HAVE made important contributions on other peoples projects (obviously), but I'd like to do mine.
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Re: Where are the decent scifi series?
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2004, 04:20:45 PM »
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I didn't mind ST1, but it's been a good few years since I've last seen it, and I think I've only seen it once.

TNG was the only decent ST series IMO.

no, THE best Star Trek was the first and the original. (what seems to be called "classical", now). They wrote about characters and ideas. and you had a set of really good actors.
People have tried to recapture the magic, and have never quite gotten it.
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Re: Where are the decent scifi series?
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2004, 11:22:30 PM »
it sucks mightily
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(if i recall correctly, i may have seen about 10 min of it and ran screaming from the room) :boohoo:  :crazy:
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Re: Where are the decent scifi series?
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2004, 04:45:53 PM »
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You'd think with all the money they pour in to television, combined with the latest amazing technology, TV would absolutely rock! But no... it's {bleep}!
money has nothing to do with it.
the difficulty is this: the people who have alot (or all) the money have absolutly NO idea how to write or create a good story. they just know how to get alot of money.

the people who can write great stories and act well, and light/make effects/etc have no money.

the artists that succeed are the ones who either are good at business themselves (Hitchcock) or hook up with a clever businessman who is smart enough to let the artist do his/her thing.

the poor artists just hope for the best and expect the worse. and believe me, it's not easy finding businesspeople who know how to deal with artists. managing people is a skill that is lacking in most situations. I've seen it with my own eyes.
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Re: Where are the decent scifi series?
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2004, 07:55:59 PM »
it's one of the reasons why Public Tv, indie movies, and other art driven groups exist. people have been trying to figure out how to get interesting projects done, because the juggernaut that is hollywood doesn't care.

and there's no point in "blaming" the public. people don't actually want to see garbage. it's more about lazyness. the conglomerates make it easy to digest the cr.ap. go to theater, pay money, see film.

if you want quality or different stuff, you have to go looking for it.

when I first saw the AMiga I was hoping this would help break the stranglehold that the big producers have. it may. I do know that alot of small companies in LA - and other places around the world would not exist if it wasn't for the "revolution" in computers/software.

In fact, a friend of mine just made his own film - all digital. he did most of it himself. shot it, directed it, did most of the editing and color correction, etc. He had me do all the special effects (he's smart enough to know what he can't do! sure sign of a smart person).
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at the moment he's trying to get this film into film festivals. I haven't heard much from him and I wish him luck, because doing something like this is an uphill effort.

But, if people don't do their own thing, nothing unique or interesting will ever get done.

this issue is quite old, btw. even a hundred years ago many of the most famous actors of the day got together and created United Artists. It was originally a group for artists trying to make great films.
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Re: Where are the decent scifi series?
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2004, 05:03:40 PM »
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But the few times I did that my stomach did somersaults at the complete nonsense I was presented. Think Kubrick movies, or from that famous Japanese director whose name slipped my mind (Koba-something?). Each time I've come to the conclusion they make crap (and bad crap at that) just like everybody else. Only now it's 'artistic' crap, and different crap yardsticks are invoked to disguise the fact that the Masters may have gotten it dead wrong.
if you can't understand and appreciate Kubrick - and other's - than this is a problem with you. not Kubrick.

I GET him. he is So far above the sh.it that comes out of hollywood, he shouldn't even be in the same sentence.
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to get back to the point of this thread, however, I have no problem with mindless entertainment. I enjoy childish nonsense all the time. it's important for one's mental health to get out of one's problems.

my issue with the giant corporations is that they don't encourage variety. they can't SEE talent and nurture it. yes, I'm looking at the problem from the other end (than you, the consumer), but i think it's useful to see that point of view.
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Re: Where are the decent scifi series?
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2004, 06:39:04 PM »
Troy : How Hollywood Kills Stories

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Cathy Lynn Pagano


a really interesting view on this film (which I didn't see) and what is going on in the middle east.
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Re: Where are the decent scifi series?
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2004, 11:14:10 PM »
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I am a little curious why you pointed us to that article, though. Everyone knows that movies (especially Hollywood ones) very rarely follow the book or historical facts to the letter. So...?
THAT IS the reason I posted this link.
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Re: Where are the decent scifi series?
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2004, 09:17:20 PM »
yes, i do love MST. there's nothing quite as fun as a really BAD movie! :lol:
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