KMOS and Amiga Inc Debt Settlement

[cecilia]

I am also worried about Dr Garry Hare reputation, first the fake business card fiasco, now the fake address.

wow! you sure seemed VERY worried for "Dr Garry Hare".

that's really kind of you.

I don't think that "business card fiasco" did anything to dirty the good reputation of Garry Hare. He's not the one that lied about it. He made a card to give to friend's and acquantences. this was taken by someone else and PUBLICLY exploited for their own reasons. Those people are the ones who should be ashamed of themselves.

I have no idea what's going on with this "fake" address. I assume you mean the address that is in NY. Get more info before you start creating all sorts of possibilities. And, yes, it would be good to find out exactly what that NY address is for. even if it's juat a UPS or mail drop off.

I have yet to see Garry Hare make a promise he didn't keep or say something unprofessional. He's always acted respectfully. So, i think his reputation is intact. And please note, that this statement has ABSOLUTLY nothing to do with "amiga, Inc" now or in it's former incarnation. this is NOT a blanket approval of the former ot present "amiga, inc". i don't care about amiga inc. I'm ONLY speaking about Garry Hare.

Yes, I would like to see everyone who is owed money get what they need. however, i can guarantee that the people given rubber checks by CERTAIN PERSONS (who shall not be named here) will never see dime one.

[cecilia]

Why would he make up fake business cards to show to friends and family

I realize this may seem like an odd thing to do.

see, i spent some years out in Los Angeles - and some time working in what is generally refered to as "The Business" (or Hollywood as you folks might call it)

You may recall Hare work at Disney for a bit.

anyway, you'll have to trust me on this, Business Cards over in that "culture" are considered as common and ubiquitous as, well, cellphones, fax machines, etc.

I'm not kidding when I say that people regularly invent business cards when they want to try out a new company. people regularly have a different set of cards depending on who they are meeting with and who they intend to MAYBE do business with in the future.

Even I had more than one type of business card. (Altho, i never went too crasy with it. sometimes it was only because a friend said, "hey, let me make you a nice card").

I am sure Garry was just trying out this card on his friends just for the hell of it.

No one in LA is fooled by any of this. Business cards are like toilet paper. you get it, you use it, you put it away. You don't waste time thinking about it. it's just a convenient place to store someone's phone number. (or email)

it's YOU fellas that made a huge deal out of something that meant ABSOLUTLY nothing.

I was busy working when this whole business card thing went down. and I found out about it (i'm guessing about a year later) when I read garry's first interview. I couldn't understand what the big fuss was about!
I swear, it looks retarded.

I think you kids need to get out more and learn about the world before you start judging people on things you don't understand.

and i'm not suggesting this thing they have in LA is rational or makes alot of sense - i've ranted about LA for years. I think they are nuts out there. But at least I understand WHY they are nuts! (and i'm not suggesting that garry is Nuts. but i am sure he is savy enough to know how to deal with the nutters out there. it does take some skill. and for that, he deserves a bit of respect!)

[cecilia]

Anyway, cecilia, are you speaking for Garry here, or just for yourself?

i'm talking about the way things work in LA. If Garry had come from Saturn, i wouldn't have any idea about the card as I don't know how things work on Saturn.

Also, if you read garry's own words you should be able to discern that the man is savy. and knows about business. I'm simply figuring he's resonable. he knows how business cards are used in LA and uses them that way, period.

as for the "...claimed that it was fake (photoshopped or whatever)..." and the ensuing nonsense, the fact is that Garry has often said he doesn't go online and look at all these sites and I'm sure he was all unaware of the crasyness - which was created by others, not him. that's just very obvious and needs no crystal ball. In other words: he just didn't know what nonsense you (the general "you", not you personally) were up to!

Also, some unnamed official fanzine even had a competition to create fake business card.

SEE? case in point: this is the FIRST i've heard of this!
why? because while all this crap was going on i was working on something important and not paying any attention to this sillyness.

in other words: let's say you suddenly ask me why I didn't DO anything about this competition, and how DARE i just let this go on, etc, etc....
well, because I never knew about! I didn't create it, I knew nothing about it!

See how this scenario can easily seem like a big "f'img" deal when in fact it's totally meaningless in the vastness of the universe!
So how can people hold Garry Hare accountable for the behavior of others? What is he, Omniponent? Come on, he's just a regular guy!

Obviously Mr Hare is living his life and isn't interested in the delusions created by others. why should he be?

and neither am I. the only reason I am here often is because I like some of the people that post here and I enjoy talking to them. (plus, i've had an amiga since 1989, so i have a vested interest, unlike Mr Hare, who has just found out about amigas)

I'm NOT interested in making up stuff. I'm not interested in fights and taking sides and all that crap. boring! I'm just here to have a good time.

[cecilia]

seer wrote:
Cecilia, the voice of reason.


Now, can we leave finally let this go ?

:roflmao:

well, i do try!
anyway, hopefully this will help set the record straight or maybe help people see things from Hare's side. which is: a businessman who's basically an outsider and was never involved with any of the nonsense of the past several years.

I'm hoping that as an outsider, Hare will be a stablizing influence on the whole situation so that developers can just get on with their projects. and we can all benefit!

[cecilia]

Being the savvy business man he is, he should be well aware that such insider jokes like this (the LA thing you described), doesn't work well outside of the small circle.

the stupidity of some people here has nothing to do with the real world. trust me!
I doubt anyone could predict what happened.

savvy doesn't mean he can guess what everyone's psychotic reaction is going to be to every little thing he does.

that's just nuts. and i know nuts! :lol:

[cecilia]

I see no reason to trust BBRV, but I also see non to believe Mr Hare either.

i may have more reasons to distrust BBRV, but i never said I "trust" Garry Hare. I just have no emotion about it. He's not selling me anything. So I don't need "trust".
He's not offering me a job, so I don't need to concern myself with his trustworthyness. Although, His behavior in public shows respect and a healthy sense of humor and if he's like that in a business setting, he's probably great to work with. But that's just my guess. It doesn't affect me personally, so i really don't care.

the t-shirts that were delivered months after he claimed them to be produced

I listened to the audio files from his speeches at amigawest and what I heard was this: he was asked about t-shirts. His reaction indicated that this was a new topic to him. He tried to be witty and say they were 'at the printers'. the next sentences indicate that he's thinking on his feet and quickly says he'll work on getting that problem fixed.
I listened carefully and several times to get a sense of what he was saying and what he meant. i don't think I'm wrong here.

I remember that sometime last summer there was a news item here that informed people that they should go to the official site and update their address and other club info. Now, I've never joined that club, never paid to get a t-shirt, i'm not involved with any of that stuff, but even I realized that this news item meant that someone was collecting info to maybe mail SOMETHING out. like maybe a t-shirt. several months pass. presumeably to collect and double check the info and figure out how many shirts have to be printed. at the beginning of this year, people start getting a package.

I see that and it looks to me that Hare made a promise and kept it! good on him!

obviously faked AInc-address

i can't say it's obvious. the facts are not in yet. as i mentioned over at amigaworld, since i am in New York I will happily go into manhatten when i get the chance and take a look.
Making assumtions before facts are in just creates a mess. at least let me get over there first!

his rather cluless interviews

so he's not an amiga user. why does that make him "clueless". as i said before, maybe him being an outsider might be good. it may mean he's objective and interested in running a successful business.

your "Scenarios" for the card are more conspiracy theories. without more info on everything that actually happened i am just uninterested in imagining any possible story. it's just boring.

[cecilia]

In the IRC session, didn't Garry Hare say something about how long it took for the AmigaOnes to be delivered after being ordered? I wonder if this address confusion had something to do with that.

there you go talking out your {Ashcroft} again.
The reason for the delay in delivery had nothing to do with amiga inc or garry hare. it was all on the other end and I'm not going into details because I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.
You love to speculate and throw mud at anyone. it's so easy to do when you are sitting in japan and are completely clueless.

I'm willing to go to the manhatten address and actually get facts. and when I come back with pictures i'll post them with the exact time I took them.

[cecilia]

boing wrote:
I think it's cool that Cecelia will check that address for us.

you're welcome.
Pic for outside is there and the info on the third floor showing what or who is in Room 301.

I wrote down under each picture what happened. I think I just left out that when I used the name "John Gizymala" (which I believe is the name connected for the web site, not sure here), it was recognized. However, the other woman who was also making a delivery had a whole stack of names. And I can't ssay I recognized any of them. (and I didn't memorize them because my name is NOT James Bond).:-P

Anyway, all you sluths can now look up "Bandwidth Technology" to see if and how they are related to Amiga Inc/ formerly KMOS.

Just so you have an idea of the layout, room 301 seems to have 2 doors. One door has the number on it, the other door (at a 90 degree angle) has nothing but a mail slot. No info on either doors except the number.  

Trev wrote:
And Wayne, dude, way to plug that forum. ;-)

:roflmao: