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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« on: March 04, 2003, 01:59:53 PM »
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JurassicCamper wrote:

New Artica S Revision

End of Jan "Some might Roll over into February"

Never Materialised


Wrong. I have that on my desk since weeks. Stop making things up.

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Reason....U-Boot for the End user XE's isn't even finished.


Wrong. Stop making things up.


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Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong and you have given the final code to alan to get the roms burn't.


I hereby correct you. Stop making things up. If you don't know what you are talking about (and this is quite obviously the case here) why bother to post at all? And most of all, why post as if it where facts, as if you knew these?

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with a few buggy OS4 Modules.


OS 4 modules aren't buggy. Stop making things up.
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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2003, 04:26:58 PM »
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MarkTime wrote:
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Your response was less than helpful.


I am not here to help.

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If you don't have anything to say, why post?

Just to harass already over frustrated amigans?


I just corrected wrong claims by someone. I am not here to help someone. If you call correcting false information "harrassment", then yes, that is what I did.

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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2003, 04:38:35 PM »
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Too much Caffeine...  :-D


No, too little rest.

To get to the point, I am not here to answer the question, and I don't care if anyone thinks I am trolling or not. What I did was correct a few false claims. I didn't say anything else. All I did say was

- U-Boot for the XE is finished
- The new Articia sillicon is finished, and I have it since quite some time.
- I was offended by the "buggy OS 4 modules".

I can accept that people are frustrated. So am I. Like I said before the community doesn't pay my bills. That is something that I have to manage myself. The only way is to go for third party development. That causes delays for OS 4. I'm sorry, but it cannot be helped. Accept it, or don't, but leave me in peace.
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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2003, 05:02:59 PM »
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why not respond to that guys other post where he posted that text from Amiga.inc saying the A1 was in it's final testing stages in 2002?...


Because, as I said, I am not here to answer questions. I choose to answer those that I want, and I choose to correct whatever I think or know is false. Period.

I don't make official statements. All I did (and I am growing tired of repeating myself) is point out some false claims in JurrasicCamper's post. Nothing more, nothing less. If you have more questions, I suggest you direct them at Amiga Inc.
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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2003, 09:45:49 PM »
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MarkTime wrote:
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response:  fair enough, but may I suggest that being helpful is a good quality.


I always try to be helpful, but to what avail?

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No, I don't call that harassment.  What I call harassment, is where someone's position is worn down via repetition, rather than through intellectual discourse.


Everyone seem to have a hard time understanding when I say something.

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By that definition you are not just the harasser, but also being harassed.  Which is true enough.  I suppose by the same line of thinking, in which you are not here to help, many people are not here to help you or accept your answers.


I don't care if someone accepts my answer or not. I have given the answers I wanted to give, and that is it. People seem to think I owe them something. I don't.

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But, I suggest harassment on both sides is not especially helpful and therefore not recommended, but nevertheless it seems to be the only choice left, when one side has stated repeatedly that they will not engage in any other type of discussion.


I am always open for discussion, but for discussion only. Not for the usual "you are liars" and the usual "you are to blame" and the usual "you lack the talent".

I am not ready to listen to another round of "you have broken your promises" either. I'Ve elaborated on that earlier, and, as I said, I am tired to repeat myself.

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.I personally don't expect you to announce your failure to complete the project on a week by week basis.  Such an exercise in humiliation would not really serve any purpose.  I do think people should buy into other choices, considering the failure...not excuse it, but not go around expecting unreasonable solutions.


If you want it, here it is: Yes, we failed to deliver until now. Very specifically, I said "until now". We have utterly failed if and only if the project is canned. It isn't, and there is no intention to do so.

Like I saiid a number of times, there are limits as to what a man can do. We are doing our best, under the worst possible circumstances, to finish the project. We only ever issue deadlines because we are continously harassed by people to give them. Each and every time unforseeable things happened, and things got delayed.

No, we have not failed yet.

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I seem to be in the minority on this, but Amiga, Inc. owns the IP, they have the responsibility to complete this....if they are doing it through a contractor, or through osmosis, I don't care....they coulda/woulda/shoulda didn't.


It is always easy to say "they must" or "they have to". From a user's point of view it might be hard to understand this, but just look at this day. I spent more time fighting off harassment (and yes, maybe dealing it out) than productive work.

If you think this is easy, you're mistaken. If you think it isn't, why is it so hard to understand?
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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2003, 09:58:16 PM »
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JurassicCamper wrote:
Why dont you answer the question then. Saying my point about the firmware not being done is wrong.


I don't have any idea what question you mean?

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Well if it is done, I stand corrected, but answer me this then why did the A1-XE G4s not ship on the 24 Feb 2003


How am I supposed to know? Did you write Eyetech about that?

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I have respect for you are doing. But lets just get one thing straight.

Alan posted on the DEV list on the 25 Feb 2003 @ 18:18 Hours that......
Hyperion would be sending the final firmware by friday. (28 Feb 2003).

So at that time the firmware was not finished. There has been nothing to contradict this statement appart from you saying that it has been finished for weeks.


Where did I say it was finished for weeks? I said the new Articia sillicon was finished since some weeks. If you want to know, I sent out the firmware on tuesday.

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It may not be the final version, but if you are saying its been finished for weeks and alan said he expected delivery 2 working days ago then someone is telling porkies and it aint me.

Care to explain ????


I just did. You said:

"New Articia S revision... Never Materialized".

I said: I have it since weeks.

You said: "U-boot not finished".

I said "wrong", and harrassed you by adding "Stop making things up repeatedly". MarkTime is right, I do apologize for that (not for the rest, though).

You said "Correct me if I'm wrong".

I said "I just did".

You said "OS4 modules are buggy".
Care to explain why that was necessary?
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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2003, 10:10:29 PM »
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Seehund wrote:
Good to hear, but will the Teron CX and PX have the same U-Boot installed? I'm asking because the U-Boot CVS only has a Teron CX ("AmigaOne G3SE", heh) dir and nothing Teron PX specific, and apart from an added environment variable, nothing has been changed there for 2-3 months. There are quite some FIXMEs and WIPs (work in progress) there.


Yes, the bios is identical for both boards. I don't have the time to send the tarball to Wolfgang Denk too often, because things get modiffied on an almost daily basis. Also, in places I did some rather heavy modifications, and since I don't want to break the other builds I am a bit weary of submitting this stuff. That doesn't mean that I am not ready to, I just don't have the time to. If someone asks me for the source, he'll get it.


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Good for you, but is it in production, and more interestingly, is the Teron PX in production? (Yes, we know that there are  engineering samples out there.)

I understand that you're not making Teron boards, so if you just don't know, I guess we'll just have to wait until Terra Soft have them for sale. Then we should know that Eyetech are ready to dongle them for us who need "protection" against "price gouging" dealers and whatnot...


I would have answered that, but since you could not refrain yourself from adding that spicy bit of extra, I am going to refrain myself from an answer. If you expect one, leave this out in your question.
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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2003, 10:29:21 PM »
OK, I just wrote up a reply to that and deleted it again.

I made a big mistake.

I tried to defend myself against false claims made by you, and got dragged into a "peck-the-idiot" game where I am the idiot. That's it. Continue this thread if you like, blame us for whatever you feel like if it makes you feel better.

Like I said, I can understand your frustration, and I accept this up to a certain point. This point has now been reached.

Believe it or not, you are *not* paying my bills right now, and until you do I have to see who does, and this is exactly what I am going to do now.

And I made another mistake.

I thought it might be a good idea to answer peoples questions from time to time on public forums. At one point I regretted my decision to withdraw from public, but now I know exactly why I did so.
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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2003, 11:18:37 AM »
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jtsiren wrote:
We're not stupid and we don't like to be treated that way.


In spite of myself, here's an answer to that: No.
For the repeated time, I did correct a few false pieces of information. That was it. Yes, I didn't answer to the original question. No, I didn't try to divert away from that question. I just didn't answer it. And I didn't treat anyone like he is stupid.

About that Ben Yoris incident, I specifically said (and I repeat it here) that his assessment of the situation was wrong. More so because he was talking about OS 4 in general, not only on the AmigaOne. It doesn't come as a surprise when I say that the AmigaOne version will come after the CyberStormPPC, because that is what we always said, but it *will* be *this* year. I never tried to divert people away from that.

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I appreciate the difficulty of communicating in an environment like this, and I wish you well. Hopefully these remarks will give you some new insight (although I have made these comments to you on threads before).


For one thing, please acknowledge that there are some things (not specifically aimed at this topic) that I simply must not discuss. Others I do not discuss because I don't want to heat up the debate anymore than necessary (and believe me, I could tell stories).  So I try to answer those questions that I have an answer to, and correct those things that I think is wrong.

I try to explain the delays we had in such a way.  Sometimes, a statement is exactly what it seems it is.
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Re: Hey, CeBIT is just around the corner!
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2003, 05:44:03 PM »
Folks, give it up.

It's the typical Monty Python situation. If I say "you're wrong", it is "he denies it. It is him". If I say "you're right", then it is "he admits it. It is him". If I say nothing at all, I am guilty by definition.

Since I am obviously creating just another uproar by pointing out where I think you are wrong, I just skip it.
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